I’m interested to know if you all believe Favre joining the Vikes will make them better this year, about the same, or worse. And of course, let me know why.
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packergeeks 
August 18, 2009 at 6:08 pm |
I think he makes them better for a while but as the season wears on, it turns cold and his body starts to hurt again he will come to realize that he doesn’t want to play anymore and he will hurt the team down the stretch. Although I have newly come around to believing that Favre is sincere, not coldly calculating, in all of his changes of heart, even sincere impulsiveness likely will not survive the grind of a long season. I think he sincerely wants to play right now because he is freash and healthy ; by late November he will sincerely *not* want to play because he is tired and beat up.
August 18, 2009 at 6:22 pm |
Ray- i could not have said it better myself
August 18, 2009 at 6:23 pm |
I think that he wins a extra game or 2 for them. He’s still better than any other QB on their team but with a entire off season and training camp spent cutting his grass and throwing to H.S. kids rather than working out the years will begin to show. Unfortunately we face him in the first half of the season before he starts to deteriorate. I will go so far as to predict that the Pack splits the 2 games with them this season, the ViQueens finish 9-7, miss the playoffs and Chiller follows Mangini’s lead and is fired as head coach. Expect to see Chiller on the coaching staff of the Raiders next year.
August 18, 2009 at 6:54 pm |
They may win another game or two most, but they will still choke when it counts. Favre only cares about himself, not the Vikings, not the nfl, and definately not the fans. He only cares about the piece of crap in the mirror and his enormous ego. I hope some fat man (Raji would be nice) goes Theisman on him and puts him out of his misery
August 18, 2009 at 6:54 pm |
What a sad human being
August 18, 2009 at 7:23 pm |
I tend to think he’s going to hurt the Vikings. This has to cause some tension in the locker room given that he skipped quite a bit of the preseason work. And while he knows the general system he still needs to learn the specifics as well as timing and preferences with the receivers. Third, Favre helps his team when he has a coach that can control him – something Childress clearly can’t/won’t do. Finally, Favre is 40 years old and it has been the trend for years now that he tends to fall apart at the end of the year. He hasn’t worked out, he has a partially torn rotator cuff and he’s coming to camp late. Not exactly the best recipe for success.
Now while I think he is going to hurt the Vikings that isn’t guaranteed. They do have a pretty good defense, AP is an excellent running back and Fave still has a lot of skill. He could make this work. I don’t see them winning a Super Bowl though. The Vikings are the champs at choking during a season.
August 18, 2009 at 8:06 pm |
The shine will come off the star fast. He has an arm issue and no minor scoping is going to repair it permenantly. He might make it through the games up to the by week. After that it’s all down hill.
August 18, 2009 at 10:03 pm |
See my comments in previous post. Will eventually help.
But ask yourself—what if he doesn’t start? how long will he be around?
August 18, 2009 at 10:26 pm |
Had Favre been willing to do all of the prep work required- the OTAs, a full training camp, all of the inseason film work- then I think he’d be capable of helping the Vikes. He proved over the last several years that it’s only when he’s been completely committed that he’s been successful.
Of course, we’ve already seen that he’s not willing to do all that’s required. He wants to be able to fling the ball around on Sunday, but doesn’t want to do the prep work to ensure that he’s flinging it in the right place. So no, I don’t think this is going to work out well for either the Vikes or for Favre.
August 18, 2009 at 11:10 pm |
— 39+ years old, coming off shoulder surgery? Yeah, I’d say there’s some question about durability.
— Along those same lines, does Childress have the stones to bench him if/when his production disappears?
— How much of a “team leader” is Mr. Private Locker Room going to be?
— My personal impression is that Favre really likes to have the spot-light to himself. I wonder how he’s going to like sharing the stage with AP?
D∈T
August 18, 2009 at 11:44 pm |
AWH – I think a better question is this: Will the Lambeau Faithful show the class act that they are and cheer on the aging legend OR will they do what they should and completely boo the old man into the turf??? The answer seems obvious – but think about it for a second… When have the fans in the bleachers EVER lowered themselves to such a trashy level? Maybe they just ignore him and treat him like the 12 year old he has become?
Nov. 1, 2009 will be a historic day indeed.
But, to answer your question, I tend to agree with you – I think Brent will add value, and due to his presence, the Vikes will be a better team with a better record than they would have been/had with T-Jack, Sagebrush, or Wade Wilson at the helm. +2 wins attributed to #4
Additionally, I tend to disagree with many posts – I think the lack of preparation will work in Favre’s favor. This applies to my theory of golf – why waste 30-50 strokes at the driving range before a round, therefore weakening my aging muscles for the 100+ strokes I need to finish 18 holes??? I think the early summer out of camp will allow the geezer’s muscles to last a bit further into the season than the consensus on this website has proclaimed, as it were…
August 18, 2009 at 11:46 pm |
Sure he helps them if he stays healthy. He is simply an upgrade over T-Jac or Sage. He played really well for 11 games last season and helped the Jets go 8-3 in that stretch on a offense very different then what he had played with the Packers. He manages an offense really well and I have no doubt he can extract the most use out of the talent on that offense which includes, AP, Chester Taylor, Shiancoe, and three decent WR’s in Harvin, Berrian, and Rice. He can read a defense better then about anyone and if healthy he can make the throws needed to make that offense dangerous. He really is a perfect fit for that offense right now on a team that really has all parts in place to be really good.
The key will be his health and can he stay healthy and fresh for 16+ games. He is coming off a biceps injury and has a minor rotator cuff injury. I have my doubts (and so does Brett) that he can stay healthy and play at an “acceptable level” all season. Three weeks ago he said he wasn’t going to play because he didn’t think he could play at that level for 16 games. Not sure what could have possibly changed in the past few weeks to convince him otherwise. Warren Sapp I thought also made a good point today on NFL network when he said that the legs are just as important for any athlete and when Sapp questioned Favre about how his legs felt that Favre admitted last season sometimes his legs were “like spaghetti” in the huddle late in games. Sapp went on to opine that the NFL season is a long grind and the arm may end up not being the only major health issue for a 40 year old QB.
His body broke down last year and he admitted today he felt great going into the season last year. This year he goes in with some nagging arm issues and probably only a minimum of conditioning with the high school kids. I think there is a better chance then not that Favre doesn’t stay healthy for all 16 games. At least I hope he doesn’t because a healthy Favre makes this team very very dangerous.
August 19, 2009 at 12:07 am |
DaveK perfectly said about the new Vikings QB. I have to agree with the fact that he is 40 years old and coming off a arm injury. Yes on paper the Vikings look like a complete team. Well so does the Packers. Its a free country and Favre has a right to play if he wants. I wont be out and about condemn his actions nor his reasons for returning just tired and beat up from all the overreactions and overhyped this occurance is. The Vikings with Favre will be the same team as last year the ball will primary be in the arms of Peterson. Stop Peterson and the Vikings will be weakened. I do not feel threatened at all by the Favre pick up. Packers are just as much of a complete team as the Vikings are this season however last seasons woes put the Packers behind the Vikings by the experts this year. Bedard I felt hit it on the head today on the radio regarding Favre.
CHEERS!!
August 19, 2009 at 12:22 am |
Favre makes them better.
Defenses will be busy enough trying to stop AP’s running game; throw Favre in, who can strike anywhere, any way, and this makes the Vikings very tough to defend against.
August 19, 2009 at 12:27 am |
What is not talked about is he has never done well in domes and half his games are going to be played their. True the fans will be cheering for him instead of against but his history in domes has been poor. Also watching almost all the Jets games last season he started out looking good and quickly declined and was a bad quarterback at the end of the season. While this may work out for the Vikes in the short term which I hope it does not they have just ruined their two potential quarterbacks of the future and now are set back another 3-4 years of having to develop a new qb unless they plan on making another trade for a qb.
August 19, 2009 at 12:28 am |
Favre’s entire career has been about taking risks, it’s what made him such an exciting player to watch, and I don’t think he cares about praise or criticism, otherwise he would have done what Thompson & Co. and you guys wanted…just shut up and went home to Hattiesburg like a good little Packer.
Rodgers, who let’s face it, is the reason that Favre is a Viking, has the spotlight all to himself now..he’s the face of the Packers and Thompson has provided him with an excellent supporting cast, something he never did for Favre. I’m also wondering about Favre’s torn labrum. Dr. Andrews said it was an old problem. I remember reading a couple of years back that the Packers limited his throwing in camp because of arm pain as he grew older. Did they know the extent of his injuries and not tell him and is that why they wanted rid of him.
Let’s see if one of the ProPacker media in GB ask that question..but I doubt it.
August 19, 2009 at 9:00 am |
Thompson never provided an excellent supporting cast that Favre never had? Excuse me? Thompson gave him a team that was a couple of Favre picks away from the Super Bowl. And look at the Dallas game. Even before his injury Favre looked like crap. Rodgers came in with minimal prep and almost pulled the game out – with the exact same players.
Favre had a good running back in Grant, some of the best wide receivers in the league. And let’s not forget that the defense has a lot of talent too – it was the scheme that was a the problem. And hiring Bob Sanders was MM’s fault and not TT’s.
August 19, 2009 at 8:31 am |
Instead of retiring # 4 Green Bay needs to burn #4. Maybe on Oct. 5?
August 19, 2009 at 8:52 am |
“True the fans will be cheering for him instead of against but his history in domes has been poor.”
this is just bs. True fans of what? Of the Packers or of Brent. I don’t want to see him get hurt but why the hell would I cheer for anyone in purple? He is playing for a division rival now. I hope he goes 0-16.
August 19, 2009 at 8:53 am |
I think the best would be if the fans were silent when Favre enters Lambeau Field and maybe a touch of cricket music….LOL
August 24, 2009 at 1:39 am |
Yeah. THAT would make ALL the news shows for a month. Complete silence, like “The gall of the guy to walk in here in purple!” I LIKE it.
It passes the “What would Bart do?” test with an A+.
August 19, 2009 at 8:58 am |
Interesting tidbit from the Wall Street Journal today (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574358953537554892.html):
Before getting too excited about their new quarterback, the Minnesota Vikings may want to take a long look at Brett Favre’s lone season with the New York Jets. Despite his league-leading 22 interceptions, his statistics more or less fell in line with his career averages last season. However, these numbers begin to look a lot worse when you consider whom the Jets were playing. According to estimates by Football Outsiders that measure performance on a play-by-play basis, half the opposing pass defenses Mr. Favre faced were ranked among the bottom 10 in the league. In fact, it was the ninth-easiest slate of pass defenses any quarterback in the NFL has had to handle in the last 15 seasons.
—Bill Barnwell
August 29, 2009 at 10:17 pm |
“Mr. Favre faced were ranked among the bottom 10 in the league. In fact, it was the ninth-easiest slate of pass defenses any quarterback in the NFL has had to handle in the last 15 seasons.”
—Bill Barnwell
Well, Bill I must say you don’t know jack about these stats!! While it is true, Brett played against 9 of the bottom pass defenses from last season, Aaron played against 11 of the bottom pass defenses, and one team fell at 16, so you could argue 12 of the bottom pass defenses. If Brett has the ninth-easiest slate as you say, then Aaron had an easier slate then our Brett. You spewing your junk stats do nothing but refuse to look at the issue. Our Organization screwed the pooch on this one. Get you head out of the sand, and if your going to throw around stats like this do some research….
Both Brett and Aaron played 7 of the Bottom 10 pass defenses. Where did you get your stats? The Wall Street Journal???? What a sports magazine……..
August 19, 2009 at 9:47 am |
Rich – funny, I had the same thought.
Roger – interesting article. I love stats like that, especially when they give me hope that Favre could end up hurting MN, not helping them. Still, at this point, I remain concerned.
August 19, 2009 at 10:10 am |
Joe–I think he meant Vikings fans will be cheering for him during the home games.
August 20, 2009 at 8:49 pm |
That was an interesting point Bill Barnwell made in the WSJ. I can’t click through to the link, but I wonder if he looked at the Vikings schedule this year. According to Fantasyguru,com, it’s the 10th easiest in the league for quarterback production.
August 21, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
This is a pretty intersting article from ESPN’s NFC North blog. Compares Favre’s record against the Vikings schedule this year.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-13-119/Favre-s-history-against-the-Vikings–schedule.html
August 29, 2009 at 9:56 pm |
“Mr. Favre faced were ranked among the bottom 10 in the league. In fact, it was the ninth-easiest slate of pass defenses any quarterback in the NFL has had to handle in the last 15 seasons.”
—Bill Barnwell
Well, Bill I must say you don’t know jack about these stats!! While it is true, Brett played against 9 of the bottom pass defenses from last season, Aaron played against 11 of the bottom pass defenses, and one team fell at 16, so you could argue 12 of the bottom defenses. If Brett has the ninth-easiest slate as you say, then Aaron had an easier slate then our Brett. You spewing your junk stats do nothing but refuse to look at the issue. Our Organization screwed the pooch on this one. Get you head out of the sand, and if your going to throw around stats like this do some research….
August 29, 2009 at 10:01 pm |
“Mr. Favre faced were ranked among the bottom 10 in the league. In fact, it was the ninth-easiest slate of pass defenses any quarterback in the NFL has had to handle in the last 15 seasons.”
—Bill Barnwell
Well, Bill I must say you don’t know jack about these stats!! While it is true, Brett played against 9 of the bottom pass defenses from last season, Aaron played against 11 of the bottom pass defenses, and one team fell at 16, so you could argue 12 of the bottom pass defenses. If Brett has the ninth-easiest slate as you say, then Aaron had an easier slate then our Brett. You spewing your junk stats do nothing but refuse to look at the issue. Our Organization screwed the pooch on this one. Get you head out of the sand, and if your going to throw around stats like this do some research….