Response to “Adjusting Expectations” post


Brother Steve makes several good points in the previous post. The Cullen Jenkins injury is big. D-Line is an area where we were not deep to begin with – and I don’t think it’s a stretch for Steve and others to contend that by losing Jenkins for the year, we’ve now lost the D-Lineman who was playing the best. Ouch. I also share some of Steve/others’ concerns re the shaky O-Line (seems like the TEs are having to help way too much which takes away an important part of the offense), Rodgers’ injury, the very poor running game, poor LB play, the Harris injury, the Bigby/Rouse/Collins injuries and the weak Derrick Frost. These are all major concerns for the team right now. (And, one thing worth adding: one quieter side effect any injury is that it can limit play-calling. Whether they be injuries to the QB, RB, FB, WR or O-line, whenever a new player is brought in, the number of plays to call is reduced somewhat and this increases a defense’s ability to anticipate what’s coming. Same actually applies when defensive injuries occur to some extent).

Steve mentioned one concern in particular that has worried me over the last 2 games: the thought that other teams may be catching onto MM’s game plan/Rodgers style/the Packers offense. When I went to the Dallas game, it was almost as though the Cowboys D knew exactly what was coming. Then a similar thing happened at Tampa. Both prepared effectively for our offense. It made me worry that the days of sneaking up on teams with MM’s newish system may be numbered. I read an article yesterday about Derek Brooks and how he spent considerable time studying the Packers offense before Sunday’s game. He said he hadn’t seen much of Rodgers (nor much of MM’s system) so he reviewed Packers’ game tape from this year and last year carefully. The results: he had a pick, a forced fumble, 3 tackles for loss. Scary when a hobbled 60 year old does that against your team. I know MM has more in his play book and I think creativity is an asset of his. But he’ll need to implement some of these plays and get into a much better play-calling mix if we’re going to turn this around.

All that said, in the end, I tend to disagree with Steve’s apparent willingness to jump ship so early. I agree more with Aaron at Cheeseheadtv who indicates it’s a bit soon to give in. If Brad Childress were our coach (first of all, we’d be 0-4), I would be ready to jump ship. But Mike McCarthy is a good coach who has demonstrated an ability to draw up a plan. And, I still think we have a weak enough division that we may push forward just because we’ll be handed some games.

To me, the most important thing that the Packers should focus on to turn this around is the O-Line. I just don’t believe the running game can continue to be so bad. The O-Line isn’t opening too many good holes (and their pass protection is weak too). We are 2-2 against some quality teams, with pretty much zero contribution from the running game and a defense that plays 90% of the game it seems. If we can just get the O-Line to be more effective and get Grant (not Jackson so much, he’s done fine) to take advantage of what’s in front of him, we might steady our ship here. (Not sure why I keep referring to a “ship” – maybe it’s because watching the Pack lately has affected me sort of like seasickness would). Anyway, if the O-Line gets it together, the running game will improve, which will increase our time of possession (which has been a major deficit area), which will keep the defense better rested and ideally, reduce the number of defensive errors. My guess is MM is working hard right now on the O-Line because he knows the ripple effect poor O-Line play can cause.

Finally, one question that came to mind when writing this post: could part of our running woes be due to the absence of Korey Hall? Hall has been a good player for us and I wonder just a bit if Grant and co may be missing his blocking and his understanding of the offense. We’ll see – Hall is set to return this week.

STEVE ADDS: Just to clarify, I’m not jumping ship.  I’ll be on the ship if (when?) it goes down.  And Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson can continue to check PackerGeeks for advice (come on, you know they read it).  But given the difficulties of the past 10 days and the certain difficulties to come, it’ll take more than good coaching to get the Packers to the playoffs.

I’m eager to see how some of the young guys perform.  I’ve been very high on Tramon Williams since early last year and I’ve had a man-crush on Desmond Bishop since before the 2007 draft which only intensified after he rocked Reggie Williams with that monster hit I’ve posted here a bunch of times.  It’ll be good to see these guys play, but I will be shocked if we end up significantly over .500.


4 Responses to “Response to “Adjusting Expectations” post”

  1. Ron La Canne Says:

    Only indirectly related to the topic. Sorry, but I thought it was important.

    From GB practice today: Rodgers handed the ball off only a few times today and left the field. Flynn and Brohm took most of the snaps. Just what did they think was going to happen? I remember being ridiculed for talking about injuries to Rodgers. I still say that should have been anticipated by TT and MM. He was injured twice before, in I believe, three appearances as a pro. One was in practice.

    We now face a team that should have been a break in the schedule and it now becomes a question mark. A loss Sunday puts the Packers in a real bind. Seattle in Seattle and Indy at home are next. MM had got to get that bunch of fat guys on both sides of the ball motivated to kick butt. The hell with pad level. Atlanta may be the only team we can beat without an NFL quality QB. They must win that game.

  2. Cindy V Says:

    I think Ryan Grant’s holdout over his contract set him back and he’s still not jellin’ with the o-line. I think that’s why he’s missing the lanes when they’re open—if only for a instant! It’s my hope that when Grant is ineffective the MM has the smarts to put in Brando Jackson rather than give up the ground game. Jackson is averaging 5 yards a carry to Grant’s 2 yards. Let Brandon run!

  3. Dave in Tucson Says:

    [The Packers] are 2-2 against some quality teams

    One of my biggest concerns so far is that of the teams the Pack has managed to beat, one (Vikings) looks to be an also-ran at best, and the other (Lions) is, so far, on course to join the ’76 Bucs on the list of all-time worst teams.

    On the other hand… Am I being too optimistic to think that the next few games even now aren’t out of reach, and the Packers could be 4-3 or even 5-2 going into the bye?


  4. ja Says:

    Let’s not overstate the impact of the Jenkins injury. The Giants haven’t missed a beat despite losing two Pro Bowl DEs. Perhaps TT deserves some blame for not adding depth following the Williams trade, but I still think the defense will hold its own.

    I’m more troubled by the lackluster performance of the offense so far this season, a problem that will get even worse if Rodgers misses time. I don’t think many of us expected Rodgers to perform as well as Favre did last year, but the dropp off we’ve seen so far from Driver, Lee, Grant, and Clifton has been a bit disappointing. Let’s hope McCarthy can get those guys turned around.

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