Greg Bedard with some more, here.
One prediction: He will downplay the Randy Moss issue.
Greg Bedard with some more, here.
One prediction: He will downplay the Randy Moss issue.
The consensus on Aaron Rodgers is that he is a capable but not outstanding quarterback. That sounds about right to me.
Rodgers spoke to ESPN here. He talks about the evolution in his relationship with Favre and seems to be saying all the right things.
“You can’t replace a legend and I know that going in,” he said. “All I can do is try to be the best quarterback I can be. I’m not going to let anyone outwork me and I’m going to be accountable to my coaches and teammates. I know it’s a challenge, but I’ve got a good team around me and I had three years to learn from Brett, who is the greatest quarterback ever.”
Check out this previous packergeeks post. Perhaps this bit of forecasting may have been a bad omen. I apologize to all Packer fans if Favre read this and made his decision mostly based on this Packergeeks post…
To add to brother Steve’s post calling out Coldhardfootballfacts, these guys are frequent guests on Homer’s show on 540 ESPN Milwaukee. Before the season, nobody, and I mean nobody, was more obnoxious about how much Favre sucks and brings the team down. Nobody. Homer at times had a hard time having these guys on the air because they were so incredibly anti-Favre.
In the name of accountability, I’m glad brother Steve called them out.
I’m sorry. I cannot resist this. I came across this post from Cold Hard Football Facts, usually one of the best NFL sites. And in this time of mourning we should probably be of more magnanimous spirit than to repost something so idiotic for no other purpose than to highlights its idiocy.
This gem from before last season by someone named Brendan Hughes is worth it. He begins:
If the NFL were an old Disney yarn, Brett Favre would be Old Yeller – the loyal dog who, as a young pup with a lot of a giddy-up, saved his buddy Travis from one misadventure after another. Old Yeller was, in his early days, the best dog on the frontier, and he and Travis grew to love each other.But even Travis, a 12-year-old boy in a children’s movie, had enough sense to know when Old Yeller had outlived his usefulness. The tear-jerker (not that we cried) ends with Travis putting a bullet between rabid Old Yeller’s eyes.It’s time for Green Bay management to heed the lesson of Old Yeller and put Favre out of his indecisive misery. Cut him today and reclaim the franchise from the feeble mind, wayward arm and rabid jaws of a slobbering old quarterback.Favre was the biggest dog in the NFL 10 years ago. Today, he’s an aging mongrel who’s infected with the quarterbacking equivalent of rabies: the INT bug.
Since then, Favre led his team to the NFC Championship, placed second in NFL MVP voting and won Sportsman of the Year from Sports Illustrated.
Is it possible to be more wrong than Mr. Hughes?
I thought this was especially insightful, from Dorsey Levens: “He had the memory of a defensive back who got beat. Forget it. Whenever he threw an interceptions he was able to just forget about it. The next play he’d be trying to throw it right back in the same spot.”
Levens also said that his fondest memories of Favre did not come on the football field. He remembers things like Favre dropping “stinkbombs” in the locker room or putting baby powder in another player’s helmet.
You can get a sense of this part of Favre in this video:
Gotta admit, we’re thrilled that our website has generated lots of traffic today, but I’m heartbroken that it’s due largely to the retirement of my favorite athlete – ever (and he’s in good company – Sidney Moncrief, Fred Couples, Robin Yount, James Lofton). Most of the comments we have received today are largely positive with most folks appropriately recognizing that one of the game’s best is done. It’s really a sad day.However, I have read several comments that intrigue the desperate optimist in me – these comments reveal the suspicion that this may not be a permanent decision. I’ve already wondered that with every fiber of my being, but I just doubt it. I think he knows he’s sort of too big to go back on it now. And, one other quiet factor that may be at play is that it’s entirely possible that TT was intentionally NOT exhaustive in his encouragement of Brett to come back: maybe he really wants the Rodgers era to begin now. TT had a similar attitude last year if you recall.
I still doubt that Favre will reverse his decision but I guess we can never know. As training camp approaches and Favre has already mowed his estate for the 40th time this spring, perhaps he’ll get a hankering to make one more grand effort.
UPDATE: Count former Packer William Henderson as one of the skeptics re this decision. He just said on WTMJ (Milwaukee’s NBC affiliate) that players are known to retract statements. He essentially noted that it doesn’t add up that he would make this decision after his tremendous last year, but he did allow for the possibility that Favre has just had enough. Still, even the newscasters interpreted Henderson’s comments as him feeling like Favre may not have made his final decision. We can only hope – I heard Rodgers just got injured going to the fridge to grab a Pabst.
UPDATE #2: Count Troy Aikman and Jerome Bettis as two other insightful NFL guys who expressed some doubt that Favre will remain retired. Again, I’m not in the denial stage, but when quality NFL guys bring this up, I find myself slipping back to the denial stage.
Check out these articles: Harris, Pickett weigh in – fans grieve at Lambeau.
Great grieving article actually. The best part, the name of the interviewee’s husband: Primus. Seriously, the article does get at why Packer fans will be more affected by this retirement perhaps than some non-Packer fans can understand. Supporting this is really a cross-generational thing. Brother Steve and I are not unique in that our grandpa was a huge fan and that he had season tickets back in the day. It is common for many Packer fans to be able to trace the roots of their Packer passion back 2 generations or more.
As a counselor, I feel like it’s my duty to share with you all the commonly referred to model for the stages of grief. Considering that Favre retiring is akin to the loss of a loved one for many of us, here it is:
According to the model’s founder, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, each of us may go through the various stages at our own pace. While some of you may find this helpful knowledge to have given the news today, I’ll share with you my model:
Senator John McCain weighed in on the retirement of Brett Favre this morning. On his campaign plane in San Antonio, Texas, I told McCain about Favre.
“Did you hear the big news?” I said, deliberately obtuse. Then I broke the news.
Several other people in the front of the plane expressed shock upon hearing the news. “Brett Favre retired?” McCain, who might be expected to identify with Favre on age issues, thought about it a moment and then said he agreed with Favre’s decision.
“Actually, I’m glad he retired. I was worried he was going to get hurt.”
In his final season, at the age of 38, Favre was statistically a top-five quarterback. Favre, a three-time NFL MVP, is one of the most durable professional athletes of all time. He leaves in the middle of a streak of 253 consecutive starts, a stunning accomplishment made even more remarkable by the fact that he plays quarterback. He is a sure-thing first-ballot Hall of Fame quarterback and will be remembered as perhaps the best quarterback in NFL history. He holds most of the individual records for quarterbacks, including: 160 wins as starter, 61,655 passing yards, 5377 completions, 8758 attempts, and 442 passing touchdowns, 22 more than his closest competitor (Dan Marino). Favre also passed for more than 20 touchdowns in 13 of his 17 seasons.
“Physically, I feel okay.” “I know I can still play. I’m just tired mentally.”
As the 2007 season neared an end, Favre indicated that he was likely to play in 2008 and perhaps beyond that. And after the Packers were upset at home by the New York Giants in the NFC Championship game, Favre promised that he would have a decision on retirement quickly. As days and then weeks passed with no word from Favre, many of those close to him began to assume that he would retire.
Favre called the Packers to inform them of his decision within the last 24 hours. It came at the same time that the New England Patriots announced that they had reached a three-year deal with wide receiver Randy Moss. The two announcements were related.
Favre talked to Randy Moss late last week. Chris Mortensen, who seems to have talked to Randy Moss about it, says that Favre committed to playing more if Moss would have signed with the Packers. Mortensen says that in a three-minute voicemail Favre left for him, Favre tried to downplay speculation that the Moss situation was decisive.
Mortensen doesn’t buy it. “If Randy Moss were a Packer today, Brett Favre would be playing football and I guess playing football beyond 2008,” said Chris Mortensen in an appearance on ESPN News this morning.
Still, given how has struggled publicly with his decision over the course of several years, there are some observers who believe he could change his mind.
“I think there’s a chance that he comes back,” said former Denver Broncos offensive lineman Mark Schlereth. “Yes, he said he’s retired but it is March. But July comes around, August comes around and he could come back…I played a guy by the name of Gary Zimmerman who retired every March and came back every July.”