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		<title>By: terryott</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/game-thoughts-3/#comment-8040</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m the voice of &quot;player evaluation goofups&quot;, and of late I am focused on Tyrell Sutton&#039;s release.  Sure, I&#039;m biased because I just love this guy.  But to me, it&#039;s symptomatic of questions about TT&#039;s and MM&#039;s judgment in getting the KIND of players we need to be a &quot;class&quot; organization.  When they fail to see a diamond in the rough (and no so rough at that), and cannot envision how a talented and versatile guy might become a valuable asset, how can they be trusted with the daunting task of building a world-class roster?

Even more to the point, since the strategy seems to be &quot;build with youth&quot; and then you walk away from one of the more promising prospects for no good reason --- it&#039;s very discouraging.

Now, what has Sutton done with Carolina?  Waited.  His chance did not even come at RB.  Carolina&#039;s two fullbacks are out with injury, and so T-Sutt enters AS A FULLBACK yesterday, sharing time with a 300+ pound guard also playing out of position.  Couldn&#039;t have been TOO inadequate as the Panthers gave the Saints a game until they screwed it up late with a couple of fumbles (not by Sutton).  This was the guy who is too small, remember, and didn&#039;t know how to block.  So all he does is step in at a position he&#039;s never played and strapped on the helmet.  First NFL play... nine yards up the middle.  This is from a Panthers commentator, who evaluates the play of their squad and gives Sutton a ^ sign:

/\  Tyrell Sutton.  The mystery of who would start at fullback for the Panthers was answered on the first play of the game, as Sutton tallied a slew of firsts.  He was active for his first career NFL game, made his first NFL start, got his first NFL carry and picked up his first nine NFL yards all on the first play of the game.  Sutton filled in nicely at fullback for the Panthers, blocking the way for DeAngelo to amass 149 yards on the ground while running for 15 yards on three carries and catching a pass for eleven more.  The rookie out of Northwestern didn&#039;t look much like a guy playing in his first NFL game, and with the way the return game is going, I&#039;d be okay with letting him return some kicks once one or both of our fullbacks are back healthy.

So, he&#039;s not Warrick Dunn yet, but he is on his way to (I predict) a stellar career in the NFL.  This really is testing my patience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the voice of &#8220;player evaluation goofups&#8221;, and of late I am focused on Tyrell Sutton&#8217;s release.  Sure, I&#8217;m biased because I just love this guy.  But to me, it&#8217;s symptomatic of questions about TT&#8217;s and MM&#8217;s judgment in getting the KIND of players we need to be a &#8220;class&#8221; organization.  When they fail to see a diamond in the rough (and no so rough at that), and cannot envision how a talented and versatile guy might become a valuable asset, how can they be trusted with the daunting task of building a world-class roster?</p>
<p>Even more to the point, since the strategy seems to be &#8220;build with youth&#8221; and then you walk away from one of the more promising prospects for no good reason &#8212; it&#8217;s very discouraging.</p>
<p>Now, what has Sutton done with Carolina?  Waited.  His chance did not even come at RB.  Carolina&#8217;s two fullbacks are out with injury, and so T-Sutt enters AS A FULLBACK yesterday, sharing time with a 300+ pound guard also playing out of position.  Couldn&#8217;t have been TOO inadequate as the Panthers gave the Saints a game until they screwed it up late with a couple of fumbles (not by Sutton).  This was the guy who is too small, remember, and didn&#8217;t know how to block.  So all he does is step in at a position he&#8217;s never played and strapped on the helmet.  First NFL play&#8230; nine yards up the middle.  This is from a Panthers commentator, who evaluates the play of their squad and gives Sutton a ^ sign:</p>
<p>/\  Tyrell Sutton.  The mystery of who would start at fullback for the Panthers was answered on the first play of the game, as Sutton tallied a slew of firsts.  He was active for his first career NFL game, made his first NFL start, got his first NFL carry and picked up his first nine NFL yards all on the first play of the game.  Sutton filled in nicely at fullback for the Panthers, blocking the way for DeAngelo to amass 149 yards on the ground while running for 15 yards on three carries and catching a pass for eleven more.  The rookie out of Northwestern didn&#8217;t look much like a guy playing in his first NFL game, and with the way the return game is going, I&#8217;d be okay with letting him return some kicks once one or both of our fullbacks are back healthy.</p>
<p>So, he&#8217;s not Warrick Dunn yet, but he is on his way to (I predict) a stellar career in the NFL.  This really is testing my patience.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/game-thoughts-3/#comment-8036</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well in fact it sounds like LJ at least has some &#039;tude- we have none!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well in fact it sounds like LJ at least has some &#8216;tude- we have none!</p>
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		<title>By: DaveK</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, I thought LJ was just having a beef with the KC management. No idea about the other stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I thought LJ was just having a beef with the KC management. No idea about the other stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: awhayes</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No problem Coop - it&#039;s fun to do this, except on days like yesterday. (Though even then, it is healthy I think to vent). 

DaveK - saw that. LJ has lost a step and he&#039;s obviously not a great character guy. That said, he&#039;s not awful and I&#039;m totally willing to overlook character at this point. It would certainly be an intriguing backfield with Grant, Green and LJ though. My biggest concern might be how we&#039;d split 6 carries a game 3 ways! Joking aside, it&#039;s possible that wherever LJ goes from here, he could feel revitalized because he&#039;s finally out of KC - and might then contribute. Brother Steve thinks he could contribute wherever he goes from here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem Coop &#8211; it&#8217;s fun to do this, except on days like yesterday. (Though even then, it is healthy I think to vent). </p>
<p>DaveK &#8211; saw that. LJ has lost a step and he&#8217;s obviously not a great character guy. That said, he&#8217;s not awful and I&#8217;m totally willing to overlook character at this point. It would certainly be an intriguing backfield with Grant, Green and LJ though. My biggest concern might be how we&#8217;d split 6 carries a game 3 ways! Joking aside, it&#8217;s possible that wherever LJ goes from here, he could feel revitalized because he&#8217;s finally out of KC &#8211; and might then contribute. Brother Steve thinks he could contribute wherever he goes from here.</p>
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		<title>By: 56Coop</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/game-thoughts-3/#comment-8021</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to mention, TT would actually have to spend money]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention, TT would actually have to spend money</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave, he was cut because he used anti-gay slurs loudly and often in public.  Hence, he is probably too hot to handle for anyone but Al Davis.  And, we all know Goodell&#039;s stand on divisiveness.  That and he&#039;s averaging 2.2 ypc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, he was cut because he used anti-gay slurs loudly and often in public.  Hence, he is probably too hot to handle for anyone but Al Davis.  And, we all know Goodell&#8217;s stand on divisiveness.  That and he&#8217;s averaging 2.2 ypc.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveK</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/game-thoughts-3/#comment-8019</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Larry Johnson cut this AM.  Any interest? I think he is a Vet so I don&#039;t think he goes through waivers.  I have not see a chief&#039;s game in years so I have no idea if he is any good anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Johnson cut this AM.  Any interest? I think he is a Vet so I don&#8217;t think he goes through waivers.  I have not see a chief&#8217;s game in years so I have no idea if he is any good anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: 56Coop</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/game-thoughts-3/#comment-8017</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the Hayes Brothers:

Thanks for this site.  Thanks for a place to vent without the bullshit at PFT.  

One good thing about a loss like this, at least it get&#039;s you some new posters on your blog.

Oh hell, I&#039;m turning into Packerbelle.  Always looking for the good.   Speaking of which, Packerbelle, you OK?  Where are you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the Hayes Brothers:</p>
<p>Thanks for this site.  Thanks for a place to vent without the bullshit at PFT.  </p>
<p>One good thing about a loss like this, at least it get&#8217;s you some new posters on your blog.</p>
<p>Oh hell, I&#8217;m turning into Packerbelle.  Always looking for the good.   Speaking of which, Packerbelle, you OK?  Where are you?</p>
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		<title>By: MAGICMAN</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like many of the long time fans, in the 50+ years of watching the Packers, we have seen some really bad times and really good times. We enjoyed a long period of good times during the time Favre played. But look at the support the team and he got from the management. Somewhere in the morass of the Executive committee process, the board members have failed in their duty to hire capable and motivated leadership. What they hired are second class managers that seem to be more concerned about their white teeth and emmaculate hair. Lombardi. Wolfe, Holmgren and other leaders would not tolerate the type of performance or lack of intensity the players are demonstrating. The unemotional news conference answers such as the O-line concerns me.&#039; Wow. How can any team be inpsired by Teddie, Murphy and Mikey? 
The lack of an owner clearly is a disadvantage for the Packers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many of the long time fans, in the 50+ years of watching the Packers, we have seen some really bad times and really good times. We enjoyed a long period of good times during the time Favre played. But look at the support the team and he got from the management. Somewhere in the morass of the Executive committee process, the board members have failed in their duty to hire capable and motivated leadership. What they hired are second class managers that seem to be more concerned about their white teeth and emmaculate hair. Lombardi. Wolfe, Holmgren and other leaders would not tolerate the type of performance or lack of intensity the players are demonstrating. The unemotional news conference answers such as the O-line concerns me.&#8217; Wow. How can any team be inpsired by Teddie, Murphy and Mikey?<br />
The lack of an owner clearly is a disadvantage for the Packers</p>
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		<title>By: 56Coop</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, well, where to start?

First, I think Cowher is not an option.  Rumor has it in NC, that there have been backroom talks about Cowher coaching the Panthers after Fox&#039;s tenure.  After yesterday, I believe that time has come.

All of the problems with the Packers have been well documented here, unfortunately, week after week after week.  No need to reiterate.

One thing that hasn&#039;t been discussed much is the distinction between Favre &amp; Rodgers.  Farve understood his receiver&#039;s routes and would often just throw the ball where the receiver was SUPPOSED to be. (Which might explain why he leads the league in INT&#039;s).  I think that&#039;s one part of Aaron&#039;s game he really needs to work on.  It appears to me that Aaron has to see his target before he throws which leads to him holding on to the ball way too long.  It&#039;s a little thing called timing and I think that&#039;s something missing in this team.  I remember lots of passes during Favre&#039;s years here where the receiver would make his break and the ball would be right there.  

Maybe it&#039;s the play calling.  Seems like MM&#039;s gotta dial up at least one long ball every 3 or 4 downs.  He keeps talking about &quot;down &amp; distance&quot;.  When you throw a 20-30 yard pass and don&#039;t complete it you&#039;ve gained nothing as far as that&#039;s concerned. Obviously when it is completed it&#039;s a thing of beauty but he relies to heavily on the long ball IMHO.  In addition, with an O-line as bad as ours those long balls take time to develope and it&#039;s kinda hard for Aaron to throw the ball when he&#039;s got the opposing guards &amp; tackles in the backfield as well as his own.  Which leads back to timing.  Throw the ball where the receiver is supposed to be.

Oh well, count me on board as one who thinks TT&#039;s gotta go.  I still think MM could coach a team that has all of it&#039;s pieces &amp; I&#039;m confident that ain&#039;t gonna happen with TT.  The man has very little ability at scouting true NFL caliber talent.  Yes, he&#039;s lucked into a few but he&#039;s had many more misses.  Don&#039;t misunderstand me, if MM does get fired I won&#039;t shed any tears but if MM goes and TT stays  then nothing has been accomplished.

Another thing that bothers me is the quality of O-lineman across the league.  GB, Chicago, Rams, Redskins, hell even the Vikes have weaknesses there.  I guess it&#039;s a hard thing to do drafting an O lineman that can play in the NFL.  Might be a good reason to use the freakin FA system. 

I don&#039;t know, maybe I&#039;m just rambling.  Obviously their football minds are better than mine or I&#039;d be a coach, right? I do know that I am dreadfully tired of this &quot;product&quot; GB is putting on the field.  7-9 at best with the schedule we have coming up--at best.

Oh well, hello mediocrity.

Welcome back!!

(sigh)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well, where to start?</p>
<p>First, I think Cowher is not an option.  Rumor has it in NC, that there have been backroom talks about Cowher coaching the Panthers after Fox&#8217;s tenure.  After yesterday, I believe that time has come.</p>
<p>All of the problems with the Packers have been well documented here, unfortunately, week after week after week.  No need to reiterate.</p>
<p>One thing that hasn&#8217;t been discussed much is the distinction between Favre &amp; Rodgers.  Farve understood his receiver&#8217;s routes and would often just throw the ball where the receiver was SUPPOSED to be. (Which might explain why he leads the league in INT&#8217;s).  I think that&#8217;s one part of Aaron&#8217;s game he really needs to work on.  It appears to me that Aaron has to see his target before he throws which leads to him holding on to the ball way too long.  It&#8217;s a little thing called timing and I think that&#8217;s something missing in this team.  I remember lots of passes during Favre&#8217;s years here where the receiver would make his break and the ball would be right there.  </p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s the play calling.  Seems like MM&#8217;s gotta dial up at least one long ball every 3 or 4 downs.  He keeps talking about &#8220;down &amp; distance&#8221;.  When you throw a 20-30 yard pass and don&#8217;t complete it you&#8217;ve gained nothing as far as that&#8217;s concerned. Obviously when it is completed it&#8217;s a thing of beauty but he relies to heavily on the long ball IMHO.  In addition, with an O-line as bad as ours those long balls take time to develope and it&#8217;s kinda hard for Aaron to throw the ball when he&#8217;s got the opposing guards &amp; tackles in the backfield as well as his own.  Which leads back to timing.  Throw the ball where the receiver is supposed to be.</p>
<p>Oh well, count me on board as one who thinks TT&#8217;s gotta go.  I still think MM could coach a team that has all of it&#8217;s pieces &amp; I&#8217;m confident that ain&#8217;t gonna happen with TT.  The man has very little ability at scouting true NFL caliber talent.  Yes, he&#8217;s lucked into a few but he&#8217;s had many more misses.  Don&#8217;t misunderstand me, if MM does get fired I won&#8217;t shed any tears but if MM goes and TT stays  then nothing has been accomplished.</p>
<p>Another thing that bothers me is the quality of O-lineman across the league.  GB, Chicago, Rams, Redskins, hell even the Vikes have weaknesses there.  I guess it&#8217;s a hard thing to do drafting an O lineman that can play in the NFL.  Might be a good reason to use the freakin FA system. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, maybe I&#8217;m just rambling.  Obviously their football minds are better than mine or I&#8217;d be a coach, right? I do know that I am dreadfully tired of this &#8220;product&#8221; GB is putting on the field.  7-9 at best with the schedule we have coming up&#8211;at best.</p>
<p>Oh well, hello mediocrity.</p>
<p>Welcome back!!</p>
<p>(sigh)</p>
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