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		<title>By: Campbell</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/favre-interview-with-joe-buck/#comment-6534</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He may have gotten the benefit of the doubt in the past, but some Packer fans and the media are sure as hell making up for it now. 

The overkill is ridiculous and so are some of the hysterical reactions of Packer fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He may have gotten the benefit of the doubt in the past, but some Packer fans and the media are sure as hell making up for it now. </p>
<p>The overkill is ridiculous and so are some of the hysterical reactions of Packer fans.</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBelle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think I put him on a pedastal.  I never thought he was perfect - I just never thought he was this self-centered.  This whole situation is all about Favre.  He felt disrespected by the Packers and so he is going to get back at them.  He even admitted that a lot of his wanting to come back was to &#039;stick it to Ted&#039;.  He&#039;s lied on multiple occassions and he doesn&#039;t even seem to get that his actions affect other people - like his former teammates and the fans that supported him for 16 years.  

Yes, he doesn&#039;t &#039;owe&#039; me (or any fan anything) but it is a two way street.   And that means that I have no obligation to support him, or to not point out that his actions are selfish, disrespectful to the fans, and childish.

And if he does say Packer fans are the greatest, I have no obligation too believe that he means it - because if they were truly the greatest then he wouldn&#039;t be doing something guaranteeed to hurt them.  And I don&#039;t think most fans will forgive and forget.   The more passionately you care about something, the harder any perceived betrayal is.  And Favre was pretty passsionately loved and his showing up at Lambeau in purple isn&#039;t going to be easily forgiven or forgotten.  Especially since most people view it as a way to get back at Ted Thompson.

No I wouldn&#039;t want to compete against some who I felt did me wronge - I d want to move on.   My first year of college someone told me that the only reason I made our school&#039;s top band was as a favor to my high school band director.   I could have done my best to rub it in his face every time we saw each other.  I didn&#039;t.  I worked, I kept my mouth shut and when he asked for my help recording a composition he wrote, I agreed.  Sometimes you have to let things go, especially after more than a year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I put him on a pedastal.  I never thought he was perfect &#8211; I just never thought he was this self-centered.  This whole situation is all about Favre.  He felt disrespected by the Packers and so he is going to get back at them.  He even admitted that a lot of his wanting to come back was to &#8216;stick it to Ted&#8217;.  He&#8217;s lied on multiple occassions and he doesn&#8217;t even seem to get that his actions affect other people &#8211; like his former teammates and the fans that supported him for 16 years.  </p>
<p>Yes, he doesn&#8217;t &#8216;owe&#8217; me (or any fan anything) but it is a two way street.   And that means that I have no obligation to support him, or to not point out that his actions are selfish, disrespectful to the fans, and childish.</p>
<p>And if he does say Packer fans are the greatest, I have no obligation too believe that he means it &#8211; because if they were truly the greatest then he wouldn&#8217;t be doing something guaranteeed to hurt them.  And I don&#8217;t think most fans will forgive and forget.   The more passionately you care about something, the harder any perceived betrayal is.  And Favre was pretty passsionately loved and his showing up at Lambeau in purple isn&#8217;t going to be easily forgiven or forgotten.  Especially since most people view it as a way to get back at Ted Thompson.</p>
<p>No I wouldn&#8217;t want to compete against some who I felt did me wronge &#8211; I d want to move on.   My first year of college someone told me that the only reason I made our school&#8217;s top band was as a favor to my high school band director.   I could have done my best to rub it in his face every time we saw each other.  I didn&#8217;t.  I worked, I kept my mouth shut and when he asked for my help recording a composition he wrote, I agreed.  Sometimes you have to let things go, especially after more than a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Schaefer</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/favre-interview-with-joe-buck/#comment-6532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Schaefer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a Packer fan, and I don&#039;t think his legacy is ruined.  And in 10 years time, I&#039;d welcome him back to be inducted in any HOF.

Yes he was a &quot;fun&quot; guy, but I heard way too many stories about Brett in his youth to think of him as a &quot;good&quot; guy.  I guess I try not to put athletes (or anyone for that matter) on too high of a pedestal, because really they&#039;re just human beings with skills...great skills, but they&#039;re fallible none the less.  and really, wouldn&#039;t we all want to compete against someone we felt did us wrong (even if those feelings are misplaced). 

Favre &#039;owes&#039; the fans nothing. But, I bet someday he&#039;ll come out and say &quot;Really, Packer fans are the greatest in the world&quot; and then he&#039;ll show up at Lambeau and people will clap, because they&#039;ll forget this nonsense and they&#039;ll remember the joy of watching Brett run down the field, smile on face, arms in the air and jumping on someone&#039;s back.  

If people need to hold on to some grudge because they feel duped or think Brett is trying to &quot;screw&quot; the Packers...that&#039;s their bag, but I hope they don&#039;t lump all Packer fans into the same bag.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Packer fan, and I don&#8217;t think his legacy is ruined.  And in 10 years time, I&#8217;d welcome him back to be inducted in any HOF.</p>
<p>Yes he was a &#8220;fun&#8221; guy, but I heard way too many stories about Brett in his youth to think of him as a &#8220;good&#8221; guy.  I guess I try not to put athletes (or anyone for that matter) on too high of a pedestal, because really they&#8217;re just human beings with skills&#8230;great skills, but they&#8217;re fallible none the less.  and really, wouldn&#8217;t we all want to compete against someone we felt did us wrong (even if those feelings are misplaced). </p>
<p>Favre &#8216;owes&#8217; the fans nothing. But, I bet someday he&#8217;ll come out and say &#8220;Really, Packer fans are the greatest in the world&#8221; and then he&#8217;ll show up at Lambeau and people will clap, because they&#8217;ll forget this nonsense and they&#8217;ll remember the joy of watching Brett run down the field, smile on face, arms in the air and jumping on someone&#8217;s back.  </p>
<p>If people need to hold on to some grudge because they feel duped or think Brett is trying to &#8220;screw&#8221; the Packers&#8230;that&#8217;s their bag, but I hope they don&#8217;t lump all Packer fans into the same bag.</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBelle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PackerBelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Jets did want him back.   They said so in public multiple times.   

And Favre did screw the Packers last year.  Or do you not recall the media circus that surrounded training camp?  

Actually, the Jets probably would be the best fit for Favre.  Before his injury they were looking very good.   He could build off that performance.  And while he would need to adjust to a new coach and likely a new offense - he would need to do that with the Vikings.  And with the Vikings he also needs to get use to new teammates.  That wouldn&#039;t be the case with the Jets.

And while the Vikings are a good fit, they aren&#039;t the best fit.  For one thing, they don&#039;t need a gunslinger - they need a game manager who can hand the ball of to Peterson while being good enough to keep the defense honest.   Favre isn&#039;t a game manager.  And do you really think he&#039;s going to be willing to take a backseat to the running game?  I doubt it.   Favre does best when he has a coach who keeps him disciplined - such as Holmgren and McCarthy.  I highly doubt Childress will be able to do that..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jets did want him back.   They said so in public multiple times.   </p>
<p>And Favre did screw the Packers last year.  Or do you not recall the media circus that surrounded training camp?  </p>
<p>Actually, the Jets probably would be the best fit for Favre.  Before his injury they were looking very good.   He could build off that performance.  And while he would need to adjust to a new coach and likely a new offense &#8211; he would need to do that with the Vikings.  And with the Vikings he also needs to get use to new teammates.  That wouldn&#8217;t be the case with the Jets.</p>
<p>And while the Vikings are a good fit, they aren&#8217;t the best fit.  For one thing, they don&#8217;t need a gunslinger &#8211; they need a game manager who can hand the ball of to Peterson while being good enough to keep the defense honest.   Favre isn&#8217;t a game manager.  And do you really think he&#8217;s going to be willing to take a backseat to the running game?  I doubt it.   Favre does best when he has a coach who keeps him disciplined &#8211; such as Holmgren and McCarthy.  I highly doubt Childress will be able to do that..</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/favre-interview-with-joe-buck/#comment-6530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron La Canne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Favre made his choices.  He was traded after retirement and the Packers refusal to give him an outright release.  Up to that point T&#039;s arguements hold a bit of water.  After he played a year on a two year contract for the Jets ole Brett decided to use the reirement ploy once again.  The Jets had told him he needed surgery and would be welcome back.  No says ole Brett I&#039;m retiring.  Surprise, Surprise ole Brett gets his outright release and miracle of miracles the Queens appear once again.  The surgery he didn&#039;t want to do when he conned the Jets was done. WOW!  He signs with the Queens assuming his arm is properly attached to his shoulder.  That makes him a manipulative lying piece of self-important crap in my book.  Go ahead and retire from the Queens and go to the Hall as a queen.  That would be the perfect cap off for his career and make him look as small as he really is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Favre made his choices.  He was traded after retirement and the Packers refusal to give him an outright release.  Up to that point T&#8217;s arguements hold a bit of water.  After he played a year on a two year contract for the Jets ole Brett decided to use the reirement ploy once again.  The Jets had told him he needed surgery and would be welcome back.  No says ole Brett I&#8217;m retiring.  Surprise, Surprise ole Brett gets his outright release and miracle of miracles the Queens appear once again.  The surgery he didn&#8217;t want to do when he conned the Jets was done. WOW!  He signs with the Queens assuming his arm is properly attached to his shoulder.  That makes him a manipulative lying piece of self-important crap in my book.  Go ahead and retire from the Queens and go to the Hall as a queen.  That would be the perfect cap off for his career and make him look as small as he really is.</p>
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		<title>By: ja</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Favre did play last year without screwing the Packers.  He agreed to play for the Jets.  Why would he do that if he only wanted to screw the Packers?  The Jets didn&#039;t want him back and had no problem releasing him even though he could come back now and play for the Bills (which wouldn&#039;t be a bad fit, either).

Now it just so happens that the best fit for Favre is the Vikings.  Big deal.  No other team has expressed interest.  So what if playing against the Packers adds a little extra incentive?  It&#039;s hypocritical to feel duped by Favre, but to deny the right for Favre to feel duped by the Packers, IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Favre did play last year without screwing the Packers.  He agreed to play for the Jets.  Why would he do that if he only wanted to screw the Packers?  The Jets didn&#8217;t want him back and had no problem releasing him even though he could come back now and play for the Bills (which wouldn&#8217;t be a bad fit, either).</p>
<p>Now it just so happens that the best fit for Favre is the Vikings.  Big deal.  No other team has expressed interest.  So what if playing against the Packers adds a little extra incentive?  It&#8217;s hypocritical to feel duped by Favre, but to deny the right for Favre to feel duped by the Packers, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBelle</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/favre-interview-with-joe-buck/#comment-6527</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PackerBelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It isn&#039;t that I can&#039;t stand Favre.  It is that I feel duped.  I supported this guy for years.  Living in MN I got lots of grief everytime I wore a #4 jersey and I didn&#039;t care.   Because I thought that Favre was one of the good guys.   Someone article basically called him the white T.O. and I tend to agree with it.  Nothing is ever Favre&#039;s fault.   It&#039;s TT&#039;s fault, it&#039;s the media&#039;s fault, but it is never Brett Favre&#039;s fault.   Sure the Packer&#039;s share some blame.  But they aren&#039;t the ones who turned it into a media circus and they aren&#039;t the ones pursuing a personal vendetta over a year after the fact.   In fact, they&#039;ve said they still want to retire Favre&#039;s number and establish a relationship with him.   Favre&#039;s response is essentially &#039;screw you&#039;.  

That&#039;s not the guy I though I was supporting for 16 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t that I can&#8217;t stand Favre.  It is that I feel duped.  I supported this guy for years.  Living in MN I got lots of grief everytime I wore a #4 jersey and I didn&#8217;t care.   Because I thought that Favre was one of the good guys.   Someone article basically called him the white T.O. and I tend to agree with it.  Nothing is ever Favre&#8217;s fault.   It&#8217;s TT&#8217;s fault, it&#8217;s the media&#8217;s fault, but it is never Brett Favre&#8217;s fault.   Sure the Packer&#8217;s share some blame.  But they aren&#8217;t the ones who turned it into a media circus and they aren&#8217;t the ones pursuing a personal vendetta over a year after the fact.   In fact, they&#8217;ve said they still want to retire Favre&#8217;s number and establish a relationship with him.   Favre&#8217;s response is essentially &#8216;screw you&#8217;.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the guy I though I was supporting for 16 years.</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBelle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PackerBelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part of his legacy was that he was a good guy.  He was someone who played for love of the game.  Coming back to screw his former team isn&#039;t playing for love of the game.  Part of his legacy was that he was a guy who had loyalty towards his team.   Coming back to screw his former team negates that.   

Yes, his on-field accomplishments speak for themselves.  All of the touchdowns, all of the interceptions, all of the wins, those don&#039;t change.  But how he is perceived, especially by Packer fans, can change.  And has.   And if he shows up at Lambeau - the place where they may retire his number - playing in purple, people aren&#039;t going to forget that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of his legacy was that he was a good guy.  He was someone who played for love of the game.  Coming back to screw his former team isn&#8217;t playing for love of the game.  Part of his legacy was that he was a guy who had loyalty towards his team.   Coming back to screw his former team negates that.   </p>
<p>Yes, his on-field accomplishments speak for themselves.  All of the touchdowns, all of the interceptions, all of the wins, those don&#8217;t change.  But how he is perceived, especially by Packer fans, can change.  And has.   And if he shows up at Lambeau &#8211; the place where they may retire his number &#8211; playing in purple, people aren&#8217;t going to forget that.</p>
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		<title>By: Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Campbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Packers did NOT handle the situation well at all. Several GB writers have acknowledged that TT ignored Favre and let the entire thing fester, instead of dealing with him face to face.

Please, I know you can&#039;t stand Favre and that is your right, but stop acting as though the Packers are this noble, above the fray org. They are a business, ergo, loyalty to any player no matter what that player gave them for 16 years means nothing. How and why you continue to give them the benefit of the doubt is amazing.

I hope like everyone else that the team is successful this year, but forgive me if I don&#039;t guzzle the Lambeau Koolaid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Packers did NOT handle the situation well at all. Several GB writers have acknowledged that TT ignored Favre and let the entire thing fester, instead of dealing with him face to face.</p>
<p>Please, I know you can&#8217;t stand Favre and that is your right, but stop acting as though the Packers are this noble, above the fray org. They are a business, ergo, loyalty to any player no matter what that player gave them for 16 years means nothing. How and why you continue to give them the benefit of the doubt is amazing.</p>
<p>I hope like everyone else that the team is successful this year, but forgive me if I don&#8217;t guzzle the Lambeau Koolaid.</p>
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		<title>By: Schaefer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Schaefer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Ja.  Time will heal all of this.  He was a good Packer, then a great Packer, then a mediocre Packer, then a great Packer again at the very end and now he is playing for other teams, but he will always be remembered as a Packer.

And, in no way do I agree with anyone that says he is ruining his legacy.  That legacy is firmly established by 3 MVPs and a Super Bowl ring...now he is just hanging on too long like so many others before him, but I don think that ruins his whole previous body of work.   
 
If he goes on to win another Super Bowl with the Vikings (throw up in my mouth) then he will further establish himself as one of the all time greatest to ever play.  If he has a bad year, so what...he&#039;s old.  It is win-win for Farve.

*Side note: shouldn&#039;t the Jets be pissed about him coming back to play for another team? Didn&#039;t he have a two year contract and asked to be released so he could retire?

Am I wrong here?  or maybe they&#039;re glad to be rid of him....To paraphrase New Yorker George Constanza, The Jerk Store called, they&#039;re running out of Favre.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ja.  Time will heal all of this.  He was a good Packer, then a great Packer, then a mediocre Packer, then a great Packer again at the very end and now he is playing for other teams, but he will always be remembered as a Packer.</p>
<p>And, in no way do I agree with anyone that says he is ruining his legacy.  That legacy is firmly established by 3 MVPs and a Super Bowl ring&#8230;now he is just hanging on too long like so many others before him, but I don think that ruins his whole previous body of work.   </p>
<p>If he goes on to win another Super Bowl with the Vikings (throw up in my mouth) then he will further establish himself as one of the all time greatest to ever play.  If he has a bad year, so what&#8230;he&#8217;s old.  It is win-win for Farve.</p>
<p>*Side note: shouldn&#8217;t the Jets be pissed about him coming back to play for another team? Didn&#8217;t he have a two year contract and asked to be released so he could retire?</p>
<p>Am I wrong here?  or maybe they&#8217;re glad to be rid of him&#8230;.To paraphrase New Yorker George Constanza, The Jerk Store called, they&#8217;re running out of Favre.</p>
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