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		<title>By: DaveK</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/nolan-gone-williams-going/#comment-5542</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Tom Silverstein:

&quot;An NFL source with knowledge of Williams&#039; intentions said it was his impression that Williams was leaning more toward New Orleans or Tennessee than Green Bay. The coordinator post in Tennessee would open if Jim Schwartz was hired by the Lions.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Tom Silverstein:</p>
<p>&#8220;An NFL source with knowledge of Williams&#8217; intentions said it was his impression that Williams was leaning more toward New Orleans or Tennessee than Green Bay. The coordinator post in Tennessee would open if Jim Schwartz was hired by the Lions.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DaveK</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/nolan-gone-williams-going/#comment-5535</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I look at the Broncos defense I do not see any more talent there then in Green Bay. I can&#039;t imagine that Nolan picked Denver over Green Bay because of talent. Denver&#039;s line is in worse shape then the Packer line!  Schefter on NFL network today was talking about Nolan going to Denver with such a young head coach.  He was opining that Nolan was a good compliment to McDaniels and it was a real coup to get him. He alluded to some ties that Nolan has to the area and the organization which probably helped land him in Denver.  

I think Ron is correct that a top tier coach is not going to take a gig that does not have the personal to run his scheme. I don&#039;t agree though that the Packers have so little talent that they can&#039;t play attack style defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at the Broncos defense I do not see any more talent there then in Green Bay. I can&#8217;t imagine that Nolan picked Denver over Green Bay because of talent. Denver&#8217;s line is in worse shape then the Packer line!  Schefter on NFL network today was talking about Nolan going to Denver with such a young head coach.  He was opining that Nolan was a good compliment to McDaniels and it was a real coup to get him. He alluded to some ties that Nolan has to the area and the organization which probably helped land him in Denver.  </p>
<p>I think Ron is correct that a top tier coach is not going to take a gig that does not have the personal to run his scheme. I don&#8217;t agree though that the Packers have so little talent that they can&#8217;t play attack style defense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To make the situation even more tenuous, just heard an interview with an on-air Jag analyst on WSSP (Vic Hesson?).  He said this, &quot;Flat out you don&#039;t have the defensive talent in GB to play attack style, whether it&#039;s 4-3, or 3-4.  Overall GB&#039;s defense is not good enough personnel-wise.  On the other side Rodgers is going to be a franchise QB.  He&#039;s going to have a great future.

Maybe this lack of talent is having a negative impact on our potential candidates?  Why has the talent level on defense degraded so much?  My answer , of course, TT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make the situation even more tenuous, just heard an interview with an on-air Jag analyst on WSSP (Vic Hesson?).  He said this, &#8220;Flat out you don&#8217;t have the defensive talent in GB to play attack style, whether it&#8217;s 4-3, or 3-4.  Overall GB&#8217;s defense is not good enough personnel-wise.  On the other side Rodgers is going to be a franchise QB.  He&#8217;s going to have a great future.</p>
<p>Maybe this lack of talent is having a negative impact on our potential candidates?  Why has the talent level on defense degraded so much?  My answer , of course, TT.</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBelle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron, some economist did see this coming.   The problem with economics is that our data sucks.   This isn&#039;t like a clinical trial where we can randomize groups and control the circumstances.   We have to take crappy data and try to tease out what happened.  And when you are dealing with personal motivations and preferences, that is difficult.

However, analyzing something like the value of a football player after the fact is easy to do.  After all, you know what pick they were, their salary, various measures of their performance as well as information on other people in that position.   That is pretty good data.   In terms of predictive power, it&#039;s not so great but in terms of assigning value it&#039;s very good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, some economist did see this coming.   The problem with economics is that our data sucks.   This isn&#8217;t like a clinical trial where we can randomize groups and control the circumstances.   We have to take crappy data and try to tease out what happened.  And when you are dealing with personal motivations and preferences, that is difficult.</p>
<p>However, analyzing something like the value of a football player after the fact is easy to do.  After all, you know what pick they were, their salary, various measures of their performance as well as information on other people in that position.   That is pretty good data.   In terms of predictive power, it&#8217;s not so great but in terms of assigning value it&#8217;s very good.</p>
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		<title>By: 56Coop</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was exactly my point Ron, &quot;Yeah we hear ya , BUT... Needless to say I am not too confident in TT &amp; I think the points you guys made earlier about the Pack not being a team that great coaches want to flock to may be very valid.

And I am really beginning to worry that MM &amp; TT may take too long to make a move so we end up again with a mediocre coach.  I do hope, and Ron I think you made this comment earlier is that they are waiting for a chance at McDermott.  I just hope they know something that we don&#039;t &amp; I hope we get some FA action.

Hopefully this is just a bunch of useless handwringing &amp; TT &amp; MM turn out to be brilliant strategists ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was exactly my point Ron, &#8220;Yeah we hear ya , BUT&#8230; Needless to say I am not too confident in TT &amp; I think the points you guys made earlier about the Pack not being a team that great coaches want to flock to may be very valid.</p>
<p>And I am really beginning to worry that MM &amp; TT may take too long to make a move so we end up again with a mediocre coach.  I do hope, and Ron I think you made this comment earlier is that they are waiting for a chance at McDermott.  I just hope they know something that we don&#8217;t &amp; I hope we get some FA action.</p>
<p>Hopefully this is just a bunch of useless handwringing &amp; TT &amp; MM turn out to be brilliant strategists <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Belle,  an economist?  They really did a bang up job of predicting what happened to the economy didn&#039;t they?  As a retiree, with a background in retail financial analysis, I can assure you that the product of such an analysis is based on the input selected by the analyst.  I wouldn&#039;t apply too much credence to such a survey because personal bias usually overcomes objective parameters.  In fact, I&#039;d give it no more credence than I would give TT&#039;s psuedo-math used to evaluate player risk (Justin Harrell).

You&#039;re a loyal suupporter of TT and that is admirable.  I am not!  The day he ruined the offensive line by dumping Wahle and Rivera, was the day I wrote him off.  His extra draft choices have not provided the Packers with two adequate guards for the last four years.  And if you&#039;re a zone blocking team, you better have good guards.  And don&#039;t get me started on the D-Line.








an economist?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belle,  an economist?  They really did a bang up job of predicting what happened to the economy didn&#8217;t they?  As a retiree, with a background in retail financial analysis, I can assure you that the product of such an analysis is based on the input selected by the analyst.  I wouldn&#8217;t apply too much credence to such a survey because personal bias usually overcomes objective parameters.  In fact, I&#8217;d give it no more credence than I would give TT&#8217;s psuedo-math used to evaluate player risk (Justin Harrell).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a loyal suupporter of TT and that is admirable.  I am not!  The day he ruined the offensive line by dumping Wahle and Rivera, was the day I wrote him off.  His extra draft choices have not provided the Packers with two adequate guards for the last four years.  And if you&#8217;re a zone blocking team, you better have good guards.  And don&#8217;t get me started on the D-Line.</p>
<p>an economist?</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBelle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Like this comment about the draft, “There are a lot of reasons you would drop out of the first round and pick later.” This idiot hasn’t learned a thing. &quot;

Actually there are reasons to drop out of the first round - second and third round picks give you more bang for your buck.  An economist actually did a study looking at the value of NFL draft picks by round and found that first round picks are not worth the money it costs to sign them typically.  This is especially true if, like last season, you have a late first round pick.  There really isn&#039;t a ton of skill difference between a late first and and an early second but the price tag can be radically different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like this comment about the draft, “There are a lot of reasons you would drop out of the first round and pick later.” This idiot hasn’t learned a thing. &#8221;</p>
<p>Actually there are reasons to drop out of the first round &#8211; second and third round picks give you more bang for your buck.  An economist actually did a study looking at the value of NFL draft picks by round and found that first round picks are not worth the money it costs to sign them typically.  This is especially true if, like last season, you have a late first round pick.  There really isn&#8217;t a ton of skill difference between a late first and and an early second but the price tag can be radically different.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron La Canne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[56, TT says, Yeah, We hear Ya, BUT......!

SF Chronicle interview with Winston Moss:  He is qupted as saying, &quot; I&#039;d look forward to being the Head Coach at SF, or doing any other job that Al Davis has for me.&quot;  Doesn&#039;t sound like he bought a two-way ticket does it?  &quot;And the Beat Goes On&quot;, to quote thos two modern day philosopers, Sonny and Cher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>56, TT says, Yeah, We hear Ya, BUT&#8230;&#8230;!</p>
<p>SF Chronicle interview with Winston Moss:  He is qupted as saying, &#8221; I&#8217;d look forward to being the Head Coach at SF, or doing any other job that Al Davis has for me.&#8221;  Doesn&#8217;t sound like he bought a two-way ticket does it?  &#8220;And the Beat Goes On&#8221;, to quote thos two modern day philosopers, Sonny and Cher.</p>
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		<title>By: 56Coop</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an interesteing article I ran across about TT iin USA Today just in case someone missed it.  Seems to give insight to his &quot;philosophy&quot; anyway -- although I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much in it that has not already been brought up on this blog:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/packers/2009-01-10-thompson-comments_N.htm

I did think this comment gives some insight about how he feels about fans:

&quot;I think it&#039;s important for the people to know that we&#039;re trying as hard as we can to do right by the Packers,&quot; Green Bay Ted Thompson said. &quot;That is important to me. Whether they agree with what we do day in and day out doesn&#039;t affect us as much. It&#039;s not fantasy football.

For what it&#039;s worth]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesteing article I ran across about TT iin USA Today just in case someone missed it.  Seems to give insight to his &#8220;philosophy&#8221; anyway &#8212; although I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much in it that has not already been brought up on this blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/packers/2009-01-10-thompson-comments_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/packers/2009-01-10-thompson-comments_N.htm</a></p>
<p>I did think this comment gives some insight about how he feels about fans:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s important for the people to know that we&#8217;re trying as hard as we can to do right by the Packers,&#8221; Green Bay Ted Thompson said. &#8220;That is important to me. Whether they agree with what we do day in and day out doesn&#8217;t affect us as much. It&#8217;s not fantasy football.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave,  I&#039;m afraid, very afraid!  TT&#039;s interview with Silvertein gave me much to think about.  Like this comment about the draft, &quot;There are a lot of reasons you would drop out of the first round and pick later.&quot;  This idiot hasn&#039;t learned a thing.  I&#039;m afraid that people in the know in football are building a detour around GB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,  I&#8217;m afraid, very afraid!  TT&#8217;s interview with Silvertein gave me much to think about.  Like this comment about the draft, &#8220;There are a lot of reasons you would drop out of the first round and pick later.&#8221;  This idiot hasn&#8217;t learned a thing.  I&#8217;m afraid that people in the know in football are building a detour around GB.</p>
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