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		<title>By: Chicago thoughts on Capers &#171; packergeeks</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/ditch-mediocrity-by-switching-to-a-3-4-defense/#comment-6322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chicago thoughts on Capers &#171; packergeeks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 12:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] January, I argued that the Pack ought to move to a 3-4 defense. I&#8217;ve felt this way for a while now primarily [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mike McCarthy to embrace 3-4 defense? &#171; packergeeks</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/ditch-mediocrity-by-switching-to-a-3-4-defense/#comment-5598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike McCarthy to embrace 3-4 defense? &#171; packergeeks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have outlined my reasoning for wanting to move to a 3-4 in a past post. Many are worried about how a 3-4 scheme will fit with our present personnel. My simple response to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: joshywoshybigfatposhy</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/ditch-mediocrity-by-switching-to-a-3-4-defense/#comment-5495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joshywoshybigfatposhy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i feel even more like a jackass, realizing that i actually spelled it right the first time.  and no, my brother&#039;s the english major.  philosophy was my meaningful pursuit of no substantive ends.  now i work in an office and spend my &#039;spare&#039; time nerdifying football blogs.  

anyhow, i&#039;ve got to say - on winston moss&#039; alleged comments (can&#039;t remember where i read them) - in essence he said he&#039;d be a &#039;motivator&#039; as a head coach (and leave the coordinating of offense and defense up to the oc and dc).  i wouldn&#039;t list motivating as one of his strong points, if the motor of the lb&#039;s this year is any indication.  

on another unrelated note: and everyone thinks ed hochuli is such a tough guy 
http://www.aolcdn.com/aolnews_photos/0d/07/20080209190509990035]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i feel even more like a jackass, realizing that i actually spelled it right the first time.  and no, my brother&#8217;s the english major.  philosophy was my meaningful pursuit of no substantive ends.  now i work in an office and spend my &#8216;spare&#8217; time nerdifying football blogs.  </p>
<p>anyhow, i&#8217;ve got to say &#8211; on winston moss&#8217; alleged comments (can&#8217;t remember where i read them) &#8211; in essence he said he&#8217;d be a &#8216;motivator&#8217; as a head coach (and leave the coordinating of offense and defense up to the oc and dc).  i wouldn&#8217;t list motivating as one of his strong points, if the motor of the lb&#8217;s this year is any indication.  </p>
<p>on another unrelated note: and everyone thinks ed hochuli is such a tough guy<br />
<a href="http://www.aolcdn.com/aolnews_photos/0d/07/20080209190509990035" rel="nofollow">http://www.aolcdn.com/aolnews_photos/0d/07/20080209190509990035</a></p>
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		<title>By: bucky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bucky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Penitentiary:&lt;/b&gt;  c.1421, &quot;place of punishment for offenses against the church,&quot; from M.L. penitentiaria, from fem. of penitentiarius (adj.) &quot;of penance,&quot; from L. pænitentia &quot;penitence&quot; (see penitence). Meaning &quot;house of correction&quot; first found 1806 (originally an asylum for prostitutes).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Penitentiary:</b>  c.1421, &#8220;place of punishment for offenses against the church,&#8221; from M.L. penitentiaria, from fem. of penitentiarius (adj.) &#8220;of penance,&#8221; from L. pænitentia &#8220;penitence&#8221; (see penitence). Meaning &#8220;house of correction&#8221; first found 1806 (originally an asylum for prostitutes).</p>
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		<title>By: 56Coop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[56Coop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I&#8217;m gonna have to start proofing before I hit submit</p>
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		<title>By: 56Coop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[56Coop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No offense taken joshy.  I&#039;m college educated &amp; had no idea penitentiary had 2 i&#039;s.  (Maybe penis is the root word--no pun intended).  And just for the record I&#039;m in agreement that Pacman would be a waste of time, although I don&#039;t think Goodell has the power to cuff &amp; shackle him. If he gets into trouble again though I think a court of law will. Finally,  I meant to give you credit joshy for the penitentiary handle on Pacman.  I did read it in your earlier post.

When I was in high school we used to run a 4-4 defense.  Back 4 were offset to front 4,  We used to run cross blitz&#039;s out of it; sometimes we had the backers &amp; ends up front but most times we had the guards &amp; tackles on the front --ends would usually drop back to outside flats and backers cover shallow middle.  Usually we would run a cross backer blitz 3 or 4 times during a defensive serires.  Backers took a shutter step then crossed and came in between the tackles &amp; guards.  The real reason we ran it though is it was a very simple scheme to understand and we needed it to be as simple as possible.  

I&#039;m suer that just bored the hell out of all of you bit it was fun to reminesce (damn joshy--now you got me worried about every word I&#039;m misspelling now--what are you an english major)?  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense taken joshy.  I&#8217;m college educated &amp; had no idea penitentiary had 2 i&#8217;s.  (Maybe penis is the root word&#8211;no pun intended).  And just for the record I&#8217;m in agreement that Pacman would be a waste of time, although I don&#8217;t think Goodell has the power to cuff &amp; shackle him. If he gets into trouble again though I think a court of law will. Finally,  I meant to give you credit joshy for the penitentiary handle on Pacman.  I did read it in your earlier post.</p>
<p>When I was in high school we used to run a 4-4 defense.  Back 4 were offset to front 4,  We used to run cross blitz&#8217;s out of it; sometimes we had the backers &amp; ends up front but most times we had the guards &amp; tackles on the front &#8211;ends would usually drop back to outside flats and backers cover shallow middle.  Usually we would run a cross backer blitz 3 or 4 times during a defensive serires.  Backers took a shutter step then crossed and came in between the tackles &amp; guards.  The real reason we ran it though is it was a very simple scheme to understand and we needed it to be as simple as possible.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m suer that just bored the hell out of all of you bit it was fun to reminesce (damn joshy&#8211;now you got me worried about every word I&#8217;m misspelling now&#8211;what are you an english major)?  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: joshywoshybigfatposhy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joshywoshybigfatposhy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so that&#039;s not all -- jones isn&#039;t worth the powder to blow him up.  he wasn&#039;t even that productive this season.  it will be even harder to produce wearing handcuffs and a tracking-bowlingball-anklet, which i hear is goodell&#039;s plan if jones gets in trouble again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so that&#8217;s not all &#8212; jones isn&#8217;t worth the powder to blow him up.  he wasn&#8217;t even that productive this season.  it will be even harder to produce wearing handcuffs and a tracking-bowlingball-anklet, which i hear is goodell&#8217;s plan if jones gets in trouble again.</p>
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		<title>By: joshywoshybigfatposhy</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/ditch-mediocrity-by-switching-to-a-3-4-defense/#comment-5490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joshywoshybigfatposhy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i should preface this by saying i&#039;m a 26 year-old wimp with no experience in barfights or even any significant recess scuffles from my youth, much less real combat, but -- the people who think football is a game for braindead oafs are the same people who think battles are just a bunch of idiots with explosives and sharp sticks running at each other.  

defense in football = offense in war.  the will to attack, and the ability to react quickly to he who has the &#039;high ground&#039; (the ball).  here&#039;s an outline about 3-4 vs. 4-3: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80d6974b&amp;template=with-video-with-comments&amp;confirm=true - the last little paragraph is a good summary 

&quot;The 3-4 defense offers flexibility in looks, features quicker athletes rushing from the outside and forces offensive adjustments that empty the backfield. Not many teams want to be in a 4-3 defense when the opponent has a 3-by-2 empty set with no one in the backfield except the quarterback. However, 3-4 teams are ready for that adjustment with a three-man rush while many four-man fronts have to pop out a lineman into coverage.

The NFL&#039;s top two defenses (Pittsburgh and Baltimore) are 3-4 teams. The top two defenses in sacks (Dallas and Pittsburgh) are 3-4 teams. Therefore, it might be time to consider the 3-4 a better package against modern offenses.&quot;

i realize the personnel issue is real, but i think if it&#039;s possible to slowly edge your way into a 3-4, by introducing it bit by bit as you acquire players -- if that&#039;s possible -- is really in our best interest.  if Terrell Suggs is available, he&#039;d be a good start.  

on another note,  if &#039;mike and mike&#039; start using the name Penitentiary Jones in a few weeks, you know i&#039;ll be taking credit with every comment thereafter for a year or so.  it probably won&#039;t though - Penitentiary is too hard to spell for braindead oafs like myself (no offense Coop56, you probably just blindly cut and paste like i did).  

that is all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i should preface this by saying i&#8217;m a 26 year-old wimp with no experience in barfights or even any significant recess scuffles from my youth, much less real combat, but &#8212; the people who think football is a game for braindead oafs are the same people who think battles are just a bunch of idiots with explosives and sharp sticks running at each other.  </p>
<p>defense in football = offense in war.  the will to attack, and the ability to react quickly to he who has the &#8216;high ground&#8217; (the ball).  here&#8217;s an outline about 3-4 vs. 4-3: <a href="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80d6974b&#038;template=with-video-with-comments&#038;confirm=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80d6974b&#038;template=with-video-with-comments&#038;confirm=true</a> &#8211; the last little paragraph is a good summary </p>
<p>&#8220;The 3-4 defense offers flexibility in looks, features quicker athletes rushing from the outside and forces offensive adjustments that empty the backfield. Not many teams want to be in a 4-3 defense when the opponent has a 3-by-2 empty set with no one in the backfield except the quarterback. However, 3-4 teams are ready for that adjustment with a three-man rush while many four-man fronts have to pop out a lineman into coverage.</p>
<p>The NFL&#8217;s top two defenses (Pittsburgh and Baltimore) are 3-4 teams. The top two defenses in sacks (Dallas and Pittsburgh) are 3-4 teams. Therefore, it might be time to consider the 3-4 a better package against modern offenses.&#8221;</p>
<p>i realize the personnel issue is real, but i think if it&#8217;s possible to slowly edge your way into a 3-4, by introducing it bit by bit as you acquire players &#8212; if that&#8217;s possible &#8212; is really in our best interest.  if Terrell Suggs is available, he&#8217;d be a good start.  </p>
<p>on another note,  if &#8216;mike and mike&#8217; start using the name Penitentiary Jones in a few weeks, you know i&#8217;ll be taking credit with every comment thereafter for a year or so.  it probably won&#8217;t though &#8211; Penitentiary is too hard to spell for braindead oafs like myself (no offense Coop56, you probably just blindly cut and paste like i did).  </p>
<p>that is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...would it be outside the realm of possibilities to utilize both a 3-4 and a 4-3?&quot;

No - though that was partly what caused Nolan&#039;s defense to be so ineffective in San Fran...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;would it be outside the realm of possibilities to utilize both a 3-4 and a 4-3?&#8221;</p>
<p>No &#8211; though that was partly what caused Nolan&#8217;s defense to be so ineffective in San Fran&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron La Canne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jones - a total waste of salary cap.  History says he&#039;d never finish the season and is likely to be a cancer in the locker room.  If I see the Packers trying to get him, they are in worse shape than even I think.

4-3, 3-4 combo?  Sure Nolan did it in San Fran and if you go back to the Packers of the mid-ninties, they had a 4-3 base but threw in a 3-4 set regularly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jones &#8211; a total waste of salary cap.  History says he&#8217;d never finish the season and is likely to be a cancer in the locker room.  If I see the Packers trying to get him, they are in worse shape than even I think.</p>
<p>4-3, 3-4 combo?  Sure Nolan did it in San Fran and if you go back to the Packers of the mid-ninties, they had a 4-3 base but threw in a 3-4 set regularly.</p>
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