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		<title>By: Bruce Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anybody know how Ryan the old punter got along with Coach Stock?  after reading the JSO story about punting this morning, it sounds like there was some fundamental disagreement between the two.  Something beyond a couple of mere technical points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody know how Ryan the old punter got along with Coach Stock?  after reading the JSO story about punting this morning, it sounds like there was some fundamental disagreement between the two.  Something beyond a couple of mere technical points.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in Tucson</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/more-thoughts-on-saints-game/#comment-4934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave in Tucson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Expectations change in a hurry, don&#039;t they?  At the beginning of the season, nobody was even sure if Rodgers was going to be a bust or not, if he was going to be able to stay off IR the whole season.  Now he&#039;s getting dumped on because he can&#039;t carry the whole team on his shoulders.

Through 11 games, he&#039;s got a 63.5% completion rate for 2,599 yards, 17 TD and 9 ints.  Not terrible for a guy starting his first season, playing behind a very dodgy o-line, and along side a defense that&#039;s given up 27+ points in 4 games.

D&#8712;T]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expectations change in a hurry, don&#8217;t they?  At the beginning of the season, nobody was even sure if Rodgers was going to be a bust or not, if he was going to be able to stay off IR the whole season.  Now he&#8217;s getting dumped on because he can&#8217;t carry the whole team on his shoulders.</p>
<p>Through 11 games, he&#8217;s got a 63.5% completion rate for 2,599 yards, 17 TD and 9 ints.  Not terrible for a guy starting his first season, playing behind a very dodgy o-line, and along side a defense that&#8217;s given up 27+ points in 4 games.</p>
<p>D&isin;T</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Johnson</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/more-thoughts-on-saints-game/#comment-4933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Packers v. Saints looked eerily like Ohio St. v. LSU or Ohio St. v. USC.  Team speed on defense was sadly lacking.  If the safeties weren&#039;t prepared, then Schottenheimer needs some work.  The Packers defense needs lots of work, period]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Packers v. Saints looked eerily like Ohio St. v. LSU or Ohio St. v. USC.  Team speed on defense was sadly lacking.  If the safeties weren&#8217;t prepared, then Schottenheimer needs some work.  The Packers defense needs lots of work, period</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron La Canne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy,  didn&#039;t mean to infer that Favre wasn&#039;t important to the Jets revival, he was.  However, the Jets also recognized the need to provide strength in the basics.  O and D lines were not designated to second rate cheap players.  The Jets had a puzzle that had pieces missing, they found the pieces and completed their puzzle.   The Packers have a puzzle that still has pieces missing.  TT tried to fill the open spots in the puzzle from a one size fits all box and they will never quite fit.

Since Marco and Wahle were let go, it should be obvious of the contempt TT has for lineman.  Anyone wanna bet that TT will ignore Haynesworth in Free Agency?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,  didn&#8217;t mean to infer that Favre wasn&#8217;t important to the Jets revival, he was.  However, the Jets also recognized the need to provide strength in the basics.  O and D lines were not designated to second rate cheap players.  The Jets had a puzzle that had pieces missing, they found the pieces and completed their puzzle.   The Packers have a puzzle that still has pieces missing.  TT tried to fill the open spots in the puzzle from a one size fits all box and they will never quite fit.</p>
<p>Since Marco and Wahle were let go, it should be obvious of the contempt TT has for lineman.  Anyone wanna bet that TT will ignore Haynesworth in Free Agency?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveK</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rodgers INT was a game killer.  It took the game from 10 points to 17 points requiring from then on a completely different scheme on offense.  It would have been great for him to again march the offense down the field on another 12 play 80 yard TD drive in an attempt to keep pace with that Saints offense last night.   So yeah, he stared down a WR and threw a crappy pass that sealed the game for the Saints. He also led the offense to 21 points in the first half which included two extended drives that ate up plenty of time.  Fault him for the INT and a few open WR’s he missed in the first half but the defense cost us this game. They make one stand in the 2nd quarter and it relieves pressure and changes the dynamic of the game.  The defense seemed to stiffen up to open the 2nd half only to allow TWO 3rd and long plays to be converted.  You have to get pressure on 3rd and long and you have to get off the field.  They didn’t and they marched down and made it a 10 point game.  It was a total failure by the defense to stop that offense and to get off the field at any point in the 2nd or 3rd quarters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodgers INT was a game killer.  It took the game from 10 points to 17 points requiring from then on a completely different scheme on offense.  It would have been great for him to again march the offense down the field on another 12 play 80 yard TD drive in an attempt to keep pace with that Saints offense last night.   So yeah, he stared down a WR and threw a crappy pass that sealed the game for the Saints. He also led the offense to 21 points in the first half which included two extended drives that ate up plenty of time.  Fault him for the INT and a few open WR’s he missed in the first half but the defense cost us this game. They make one stand in the 2nd quarter and it relieves pressure and changes the dynamic of the game.  The defense seemed to stiffen up to open the 2nd half only to allow TWO 3rd and long plays to be converted.  You have to get pressure on 3rd and long and you have to get off the field.  They didn’t and they marched down and made it a 10 point game.  It was a total failure by the defense to stop that offense and to get off the field at any point in the 2nd or 3rd quarters.</p>
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		<title>By: bucky</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought the offensive line did ok last night, even well, particularly run blocking.  The Packers scored 21 in the first half fer chrissakes; they ran the ball down the Saints throat, like they needed to.  That was a pretty productive unit in the first half.  They weren&#039;t as good against the pass, but a lot of the Saints&#039; pressure came once the game started getting out of hand, and the Packers had to throw the ball every down.  

I also think Rodgers had a very good first half, but a terrible second half.  Yes, he deserves criticism for it.  It looked like he had caught Brett Favre disease, where the patient tries to win the game with every pass.  He looked impatient and seemed to lock in on a receiver right from the snap.  

The defensive line, on the other hand, was horrible.  Brees had all day in the pocket, and he&#039;ll kill anyone with the time to throw.  The secondary and LBs looked lost for a good part of the night, but the absolute failure of the D line to generate any pressure on Brees was the biggest factor in the score.  And I don&#039;t see why Kampman gets a pass.  Except for a couple of pressures at the end of the first half, he was as invisible as anyone else on the line.  In fact, he really hasn&#039;t done a whole lot all year; he is certainly not the same player who was dominant at times last season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the offensive line did ok last night, even well, particularly run blocking.  The Packers scored 21 in the first half fer chrissakes; they ran the ball down the Saints throat, like they needed to.  That was a pretty productive unit in the first half.  They weren&#8217;t as good against the pass, but a lot of the Saints&#8217; pressure came once the game started getting out of hand, and the Packers had to throw the ball every down.  </p>
<p>I also think Rodgers had a very good first half, but a terrible second half.  Yes, he deserves criticism for it.  It looked like he had caught Brett Favre disease, where the patient tries to win the game with every pass.  He looked impatient and seemed to lock in on a receiver right from the snap.  </p>
<p>The defensive line, on the other hand, was horrible.  Brees had all day in the pocket, and he&#8217;ll kill anyone with the time to throw.  The secondary and LBs looked lost for a good part of the night, but the absolute failure of the D line to generate any pressure on Brees was the biggest factor in the score.  And I don&#8217;t see why Kampman gets a pass.  Except for a couple of pressures at the end of the first half, he was as invisible as anyone else on the line.  In fact, he really hasn&#8217;t done a whole lot all year; he is certainly not the same player who was dominant at times last season.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron: &quot;Is it the fact that they just can’t play at an NFL level?&quot; 

Yes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron: &#8220;Is it the fact that they just can’t play at an NFL level?&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: awhayes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not with you there Dave in T...Rodgers is 11 games into his 4th season (though first as a starter). It&#039;s time he gets ripped for his errors too. Even I was willing to chalk up earlier errors to new-ness. Not anymore. No, he didn&#039;t Frerotte and cost us the game by himself, our defense and the Saints unreal offense mostly decided the game. But Rodgers didn&#039;t help our cause in the second half.

Ron - I disagree a bit re Favre. I do think he has helped the team a lot not only in play (yes, play helped largely by their great O-Line) but also from a mentality standpoint. Several players have commented on their own boost in confidence/performance due to playing with Favre. But I agree very much that they went about free agency the right way by pulling in Kris Jenkins and Alan Faneca. I don&#039;t think Jenkins would have been hard to recruit because his brother plays for us and Faneca has been to something like 7 Pro Bowls. While I know free agents like these guys are very expensive, the Jets figured it out and my guess is that we were in probably better cap position to pull something like this than they were.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not with you there Dave in T&#8230;Rodgers is 11 games into his 4th season (though first as a starter). It&#8217;s time he gets ripped for his errors too. Even I was willing to chalk up earlier errors to new-ness. Not anymore. No, he didn&#8217;t Frerotte and cost us the game by himself, our defense and the Saints unreal offense mostly decided the game. But Rodgers didn&#8217;t help our cause in the second half.</p>
<p>Ron &#8211; I disagree a bit re Favre. I do think he has helped the team a lot not only in play (yes, play helped largely by their great O-Line) but also from a mentality standpoint. Several players have commented on their own boost in confidence/performance due to playing with Favre. But I agree very much that they went about free agency the right way by pulling in Kris Jenkins and Alan Faneca. I don&#8217;t think Jenkins would have been hard to recruit because his brother plays for us and Faneca has been to something like 7 Pro Bowls. While I know free agents like these guys are very expensive, the Jets figured it out and my guess is that we were in probably better cap position to pull something like this than they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the entire pre-season and the eleven weeks of the season, MM&#039;s comments post-game started: &quot;We didn&#039;t play well, we&#039;ll look at the film and fix it.&quot;  If he hasn&#039;t fixed it yet, it ain&#039;t going to be fixed.  It is time to admit it CANNOT BE FIXED.  Not with the low-talent fops they have playing on both lines.

I blame Thompson for doing nothing to improve either line in the off-season.  Of the nine players that  makeup the two lines only one plays like a pro, Kampman.  Taucher (his status for the rest of the season?) and Clifton are showing sign of age.  Wells, Spitz, Sitton, Moll and  College pretty much stink.  NO used a four and three man ruch almost exclusivly and still harrassed Rodgers all night.

With the exception of Kampman, the D-line has no push at all.  Is it conditioning?  Is it the fact that they just can&#039;t play at an NFL level?

Unless Thompson changes his position on hoarding cap money, I&#039;m affraid the Packers are destined to suffer even more next year.  Can TT draft eight O &amp; D line starters in next year&#039;s draft?

Everyone, who doesn&#039;t understand football, is fawning all over Favre for the Jets resurgence.  In reallity the Jets spent big time cap money to improve their O &amp; D lines.  That is the reason Favre can succeed.  Until TT stops insisting on stocking the lines with bargain basement selections,  GB will have problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the entire pre-season and the eleven weeks of the season, MM&#8217;s comments post-game started: &#8220;We didn&#8217;t play well, we&#8217;ll look at the film and fix it.&#8221;  If he hasn&#8217;t fixed it yet, it ain&#8217;t going to be fixed.  It is time to admit it CANNOT BE FIXED.  Not with the low-talent fops they have playing on both lines.</p>
<p>I blame Thompson for doing nothing to improve either line in the off-season.  Of the nine players that  makeup the two lines only one plays like a pro, Kampman.  Taucher (his status for the rest of the season?) and Clifton are showing sign of age.  Wells, Spitz, Sitton, Moll and  College pretty much stink.  NO used a four and three man ruch almost exclusivly and still harrassed Rodgers all night.</p>
<p>With the exception of Kampman, the D-line has no push at all.  Is it conditioning?  Is it the fact that they just can&#8217;t play at an NFL level?</p>
<p>Unless Thompson changes his position on hoarding cap money, I&#8217;m affraid the Packers are destined to suffer even more next year.  Can TT draft eight O &amp; D line starters in next year&#8217;s draft?</p>
<p>Everyone, who doesn&#8217;t understand football, is fawning all over Favre for the Jets resurgence.  In reallity the Jets spent big time cap money to improve their O &amp; D lines.  That is the reason Favre can succeed.  Until TT stops insisting on stocking the lines with bargain basement selections,  GB will have problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in Tucson</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have any problem with the on-side kick.  At that point in the game, I think the only chance the Packers had was to keep the Saints offense off the field, as the defense wasn&#039;t stopping &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt;.

Count me as one that is willing to cut Rodgers some slack.  He still hasn&#039;t started a full season yet; it&#039;s ridiculous to expect him to be able to carry the team through a game at this point.

Note that his first interception didn&#039;t come until the Packers were down by 10, and it was clear that to win they would have to score a TD every time they had the ball.

D&#8712;T]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any problem with the on-side kick.  At that point in the game, I think the only chance the Packers had was to keep the Saints offense off the field, as the defense wasn&#8217;t stopping <em>anything</em>.</p>
<p>Count me as one that is willing to cut Rodgers some slack.  He still hasn&#8217;t started a full season yet; it&#8217;s ridiculous to expect him to be able to carry the team through a game at this point.</p>
<p>Note that his first interception didn&#8217;t come until the Packers were down by 10, and it was clear that to win they would have to score a TD every time they had the ball.</p>
<p>D&isin;T</p>
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