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	<title>Comments on: Favre&#8217;s Trouble with the Truth, Part 274</title>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/favres-trouble-with-the-truth-part-274/#comment-4454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron La Canne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ja,

You forgot Sterling Sharpe and Lofton.  We are discussing personal integrity.  Favre is petty, childish and vindictive.  His vendetta against TT and maybe MM is stronger than any alligence to fans or former teammates.

In any of your strawman examples, can you sight one act that affected the other members of the team or fans for that mater?  And gee, I haven&#039;t seen any of their jerseys retired, or names in the statium.  Maybe I just missed something.

Bret Favre, to put it simply is a spoiled, pampered baby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ja,</p>
<p>You forgot Sterling Sharpe and Lofton.  We are discussing personal integrity.  Favre is petty, childish and vindictive.  His vendetta against TT and maybe MM is stronger than any alligence to fans or former teammates.</p>
<p>In any of your strawman examples, can you sight one act that affected the other members of the team or fans for that mater?  And gee, I haven&#8217;t seen any of their jerseys retired, or names in the statium.  Maybe I just missed something.</p>
<p>Bret Favre, to put it simply is a spoiled, pampered baby.</p>
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		<title>By: ja</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/favres-trouble-with-the-truth-part-274/#comment-4442</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: 14.  What would make me have a negative view of Favre?  Perhaps being arrested for dealing drugs, 200 grams (not milligrams, grams!) of codeine (Johnny Jolly).  Or displaying a pattern of repeated violence against women, different women, multiple times (Ahman Green).  How about shooting a loaded gun into a car full of people (Tyrone Williams).  Having a long history of gang-related crime, including murder, kidnapping, robbery, and drug charges (Charles Jordan).  Or maybe raping a high school girl after delivering the commencement speech (Wayne Simmons).

Never have these players combined received a fraction of the criticism from Packer fans that Favre has.

Talking football with hunting buddies?  Not so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 14.  What would make me have a negative view of Favre?  Perhaps being arrested for dealing drugs, 200 grams (not milligrams, grams!) of codeine (Johnny Jolly).  Or displaying a pattern of repeated violence against women, different women, multiple times (Ahman Green).  How about shooting a loaded gun into a car full of people (Tyrone Williams).  Having a long history of gang-related crime, including murder, kidnapping, robbery, and drug charges (Charles Jordan).  Or maybe raping a high school girl after delivering the commencement speech (Wayne Simmons).</p>
<p>Never have these players combined received a fraction of the criticism from Packer fans that Favre has.</p>
<p>Talking football with hunting buddies?  Not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If you stab your former teammates in the back with a rubber knife, is it still attempted murder?&quot;

Yes, because it is the intent of the criminal, not the efficacy of the actions taken that makes an attempted murder.  But you don&#039;t know whether the knife was rubber or steel because you don&#039;t know what Brett told them.  Was it terminology, was it specific plays, was it the personal &quot;tells&quot; of his former teammates? 

And I am not going to accept LeRoy “The Host of Brett Farve – On and Off the Field” Butler as a dispassionate observer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you stab your former teammates in the back with a rubber knife, is it still attempted murder?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, because it is the intent of the criminal, not the efficacy of the actions taken that makes an attempted murder.  But you don&#8217;t know whether the knife was rubber or steel because you don&#8217;t know what Brett told them.  Was it terminology, was it specific plays, was it the personal &#8220;tells&#8221; of his former teammates? </p>
<p>And I am not going to accept LeRoy “The Host of Brett Farve – On and Off the Field” Butler as a dispassionate observer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/favres-trouble-with-the-truth-part-274/#comment-4427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron La Canne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ja,

Favreophiles grasp for weak rhetorical straws to defend their hero.  Many here are Packer Fans, not Favre fans.  Favre has made his own bed, shall we say.

I suggest you read more of Butler&#039;s comments and listen to his interview on WSSP.  I think it may still be on their site.  He was certainly not as casual as you seem to believe.  Garry Ellerson not too forgiving to Swamp Boy either.

His ex-teammates are paid to win games and their job is hard enough without the &quot;Great One&quot; playing his little baby games.  You obviously don&#039;t understand the value of sharing personal tendencies of individual players with an opposing team.  Favre had 16 years and knows every player on the Packer roster intimately (except rookies).  That kind of information has great value.  If not, why the problem with Bellichek?  That&#039;s what he was trying to obtain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ja,</p>
<p>Favreophiles grasp for weak rhetorical straws to defend their hero.  Many here are Packer Fans, not Favre fans.  Favre has made his own bed, shall we say.</p>
<p>I suggest you read more of Butler&#8217;s comments and listen to his interview on WSSP.  I think it may still be on their site.  He was certainly not as casual as you seem to believe.  Garry Ellerson not too forgiving to Swamp Boy either.</p>
<p>His ex-teammates are paid to win games and their job is hard enough without the &#8220;Great One&#8221; playing his little baby games.  You obviously don&#8217;t understand the value of sharing personal tendencies of individual players with an opposing team.  Favre had 16 years and knows every player on the Packer roster intimately (except rookies).  That kind of information has great value.  If not, why the problem with Bellichek?  That&#8217;s what he was trying to obtain.</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBelle</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/favres-trouble-with-the-truth-part-274/#comment-4426</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PackerBelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ja, it is a big deal.  Favre was trying to sabotage the Packers to get back at Ted Thompson.  Which means he was hurting people he claims are his friends, like Donald Driver, to settle a personal score.   That is just wrong.

I have a question for you, what would make you have a negative view of Favre?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ja, it is a big deal.  Favre was trying to sabotage the Packers to get back at Ted Thompson.  Which means he was hurting people he claims are his friends, like Donald Driver, to settle a personal score.   That is just wrong.</p>
<p>I have a question for you, what would make you have a negative view of Favre?</p>
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		<title>By: scott in wisconsin</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/favres-trouble-with-the-truth-part-274/#comment-4424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scott in wisconsin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ ja

What we&#039;re bent out of shape is that after 16 years of having Favre&#039;s back through all the interceptions and all the ups and downs of his personal life, he stabs Packer fans in the back with a fork. Then twisted it. When his wife had breast cancer, we prayed with them. When he had his drug addiction, we said &quot;that&#039;s ok, we&#039;re with ya&quot;. When he retired, we cried, too. It&#039;s NOT that he gave the Lions info. Maybe it&#039;s that we now see the man behind the curtain. And some of us feel like jerks for actually giving a crap about this guy and his family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ja</p>
<p>What we&#8217;re bent out of shape is that after 16 years of having Favre&#8217;s back through all the interceptions and all the ups and downs of his personal life, he stabs Packer fans in the back with a fork. Then twisted it. When his wife had breast cancer, we prayed with them. When he had his drug addiction, we said &#8220;that&#8217;s ok, we&#8217;re with ya&#8221;. When he retired, we cried, too. It&#8217;s NOT that he gave the Lions info. Maybe it&#8217;s that we now see the man behind the curtain. And some of us feel like jerks for actually giving a crap about this guy and his family.</p>
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		<title>By: ja</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you stab your former teammates in the back with a rubber knife, is it still attempted murder?

Leroy Butler and Joe Philbin have it right.  Even if true, it&#039;s really not a big deal.  I don&#039;t understand what everyone is so bent out of shape about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you stab your former teammates in the back with a rubber knife, is it still attempted murder?</p>
<p>Leroy Butler and Joe Philbin have it right.  Even if true, it&#8217;s really not a big deal.  I don&#8217;t understand what everyone is so bent out of shape about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron La Canne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ESPN has ordered talk show hosts to not discuss the Favre issue.  Hmmmmm!  Think they are trying not to give Glazer any further publicity?  I think so.

Favre was a two-faced snake and is DEAD!  I don&#039;t give a damn if it&#039;s legal or not.  He stabbed his former teammates in the back.  He has a problem with TT?  Fine, get a glove and slap TT in the face then have a duel.  Don&#039;t screw with your former friends (obviously that&#039;s not the correct use of that word)  and expect the fans to still pee in our pants evrytime that jerk shows his baby blues.

Open a BF Steakhouse in NY an d see how good you do,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN has ordered talk show hosts to not discuss the Favre issue.  Hmmmmm!  Think they are trying not to give Glazer any further publicity?  I think so.</p>
<p>Favre was a two-faced snake and is DEAD!  I don&#8217;t give a damn if it&#8217;s legal or not.  He stabbed his former teammates in the back.  He has a problem with TT?  Fine, get a glove and slap TT in the face then have a duel.  Don&#8217;t screw with your former friends (obviously that&#8217;s not the correct use of that word)  and expect the fans to still pee in our pants evrytime that jerk shows his baby blues.</p>
<p>Open a BF Steakhouse in NY an d see how good you do,</p>
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		<title>By: DaveK</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott - I agree. The national press is missing the point. There was no benefit to Favre&#039;s team to help the Lions. It was done for selfish reasons without regard to his former teammates or Packers fans.  If this was some casual conservation Favre had with Millan or another friend then I agree with Butler that is not a big deal. But, if he spent hours sharing info about the Packers with the coaching staff then it crosses the line. I am waiting for more info to develop. Who did he talk with? What type of info was given? Unknow sources bother me and I wish we knew more.  Regardless, it is just disappointing that Favre did anything and it would have been more grown up of him to just go about his business with the Jets.

ESPN thinks they are god&#039;s gift to sports in American. If they don&#039;t break it they either claim they did and run with it or they ignore the story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott &#8211; I agree. The national press is missing the point. There was no benefit to Favre&#8217;s team to help the Lions. It was done for selfish reasons without regard to his former teammates or Packers fans.  If this was some casual conservation Favre had with Millan or another friend then I agree with Butler that is not a big deal. But, if he spent hours sharing info about the Packers with the coaching staff then it crosses the line. I am waiting for more info to develop. Who did he talk with? What type of info was given? Unknow sources bother me and I wish we knew more.  Regardless, it is just disappointing that Favre did anything and it would have been more grown up of him to just go about his business with the Jets.</p>
<p>ESPN thinks they are god&#8217;s gift to sports in American. If they don&#8217;t break it they either claim they did and run with it or they ignore the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy - ESPN being M.I.A is veeeerrryy telling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy &#8211; ESPN being M.I.A is veeeerrryy telling.</p>
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