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		<title>By: Blog Battle! PackerGeek Style&#8230; &#124; Cheesehead TV</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/its-the-o-line-not-grant/#comment-4242</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DaveK</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, a lot of good posts on this topic. I honestly can&#039;t tell you if the the problem is Grant or the line. I wish I had copy of all the run plays to review.  There doesn&#039;t seem to be very many lanes to run through but Jackson does seem to have better success when subbed in for Grant. I don&#039;t know....Our run game was very poor for the first part of the season last year also and not until MM all but scrapped it did things sort of turn around. 

Someone made the point that defenses seem to be better at diagnosing our plays and sniffing out run plays. I have to agree with that.  Maybe it is the quality of the defenses we have played this year or maybe the team has let their tendencies become too predictable. Or, maybe the Packers do not have a QB that audibles enough into or out of run plays depending on how the defense lines up.  It seems to me that Rodgers doesn&#039;t audible as much as Favre and maybe that contributes to D&#039;s having a better guess on what is coming. ??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a lot of good posts on this topic. I honestly can&#8217;t tell you if the the problem is Grant or the line. I wish I had copy of all the run plays to review.  There doesn&#8217;t seem to be very many lanes to run through but Jackson does seem to have better success when subbed in for Grant. I don&#8217;t know&#8230;.Our run game was very poor for the first part of the season last year also and not until MM all but scrapped it did things sort of turn around. </p>
<p>Someone made the point that defenses seem to be better at diagnosing our plays and sniffing out run plays. I have to agree with that.  Maybe it is the quality of the defenses we have played this year or maybe the team has let their tendencies become too predictable. Or, maybe the Packers do not have a QB that audibles enough into or out of run plays depending on how the defense lines up.  It seems to me that Rodgers doesn&#8217;t audible as much as Favre and maybe that contributes to D&#8217;s having a better guess on what is coming. ??</p>
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		<title>By: sfhayes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of good comments here.  Let me say, too, that I&#039;m a big Ryan Grant fan.  I liked him after seeing him in the preseason last year before he signed with the Packers and I was thrilled when we acquired him.  And I touted him all last year and thought we should sign him to a big contract.  So, yes, I&#039;ve got a rooting interest.  

But I find it amusing that some people thought it was too early to sign Grant to a long-term deal after his extraordinary ten-game stretch last year, but now seem ready to declare him &quot;average&quot; after six games this year.  Maybe I&#039;m wrong, but that feels a lot more like someone trying validate their previous skepticism than giving us dispassionate analysis.  

Responding to this post, PackerAaron wrote: &quot;So when McCarthy was talking up Jackson, it was obvious coach speak. But when he’s supporting your argument, he’s telling it like it is? Please.&quot;

Umm, yes.  That&#039;s exactly what it was because the situation are completely different.  Before the season, McCarthy and Ted Thompson were trying to get Grant into camp and, in my view, using Jackson as a threat.  It was smart.  That doesn&#039;t mean Jackson wasn&#039;t playing better, it just means that they were touting him publicly in order to pressure Grant (and his agent) into signing.  It&#039;s a tactic that teams use every year.  It&#039;s hard to believe that anyone would doubt that that&#039;s what was happening.  

Now, McCarthy is grading his players and, most important, he is calling them out when they don&#039;t grade out well.  He&#039;s done that this year with Clifton and Rodgers, and if memory serves, even blamed Greg Jennings one time for running the wrong route on a Rodgers pick.  So McCarthy isn&#039;t afraid to tell us when his players -- even his stars -- are not playing well.  

I went back and watched most of the Grant carries.  I suppose if some of you Grant skeptics are watching coach&#039;s film you saw holes that I did not.  But watching it on TV, there were very few.  The worst came on a handoff to the left in the third quarter, when he missed a cutback that would have gone for huge yards -- maybe a touchdown -- if he had beaten their corner (who was coming on a delayed blitz).  

As McCarthy explained this morning on Sirius NFL Radio, after explaining exactly how the grading system works, Grant graded out well.  The line simply didn&#039;t create holes.  

If any of the Grant skeptics have the game DVR&#039;d and can point to specific plays, I&#039;ll be happy to take another look.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good comments here.  Let me say, too, that I&#8217;m a big Ryan Grant fan.  I liked him after seeing him in the preseason last year before he signed with the Packers and I was thrilled when we acquired him.  And I touted him all last year and thought we should sign him to a big contract.  So, yes, I&#8217;ve got a rooting interest.  </p>
<p>But I find it amusing that some people thought it was too early to sign Grant to a long-term deal after his extraordinary ten-game stretch last year, but now seem ready to declare him &#8220;average&#8221; after six games this year.  Maybe I&#8217;m wrong, but that feels a lot more like someone trying validate their previous skepticism than giving us dispassionate analysis.  </p>
<p>Responding to this post, PackerAaron wrote: &#8220;So when McCarthy was talking up Jackson, it was obvious coach speak. But when he’s supporting your argument, he’s telling it like it is? Please.&#8221;</p>
<p>Umm, yes.  That&#8217;s exactly what it was because the situation are completely different.  Before the season, McCarthy and Ted Thompson were trying to get Grant into camp and, in my view, using Jackson as a threat.  It was smart.  That doesn&#8217;t mean Jackson wasn&#8217;t playing better, it just means that they were touting him publicly in order to pressure Grant (and his agent) into signing.  It&#8217;s a tactic that teams use every year.  It&#8217;s hard to believe that anyone would doubt that that&#8217;s what was happening.  </p>
<p>Now, McCarthy is grading his players and, most important, he is calling them out when they don&#8217;t grade out well.  He&#8217;s done that this year with Clifton and Rodgers, and if memory serves, even blamed Greg Jennings one time for running the wrong route on a Rodgers pick.  So McCarthy isn&#8217;t afraid to tell us when his players &#8212; even his stars &#8212; are not playing well.  </p>
<p>I went back and watched most of the Grant carries.  I suppose if some of you Grant skeptics are watching coach&#8217;s film you saw holes that I did not.  But watching it on TV, there were very few.  The worst came on a handoff to the left in the third quarter, when he missed a cutback that would have gone for huge yards &#8212; maybe a touchdown &#8212; if he had beaten their corner (who was coming on a delayed blitz).  </p>
<p>As McCarthy explained this morning on Sirius NFL Radio, after explaining exactly how the grading system works, Grant graded out well.  The line simply didn&#8217;t create holes.  </p>
<p>If any of the Grant skeptics have the game DVR&#8217;d and can point to specific plays, I&#8217;ll be happy to take another look.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Rogders</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lumpkin was also great in preseason. I have not seen Grant run with same power as Jackson or Lumpkin. But Grant is not the same style runner either. A lot of other teams through run with two backs with different running styles. It is usually pretty successful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lumpkin was also great in preseason. I have not seen Grant run with same power as Jackson or Lumpkin. But Grant is not the same style runner either. A lot of other teams through run with two backs with different running styles. It is usually pretty successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Rogders</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can understand running the ball a lot with Rodgers being injured. But, the Packers strength is in the PASSING game. We have the best receiving core with an accurate QB, and we are whining about the running game. You know what, who cares? Do we have to run the ball at least 30 times?? You want to see our running average go up, then continue passing the ball all game. No one has proved to shut this down yet. Run a few draw plays here and there. With everyone in zone, I can&#039;t see why you wouldn&#039;t be getting at least 5 yards per carry... Oh, and can you PLEASE McCarthy, remove the pass play where you throw to your receiver behind the line of scrimmage. I don&#039;t really enjoy watching the corner running at full speed and drilling the receiver as soon as he catches the ball..

Sorry, I just had to vent on this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand running the ball a lot with Rodgers being injured. But, the Packers strength is in the PASSING game. We have the best receiving core with an accurate QB, and we are whining about the running game. You know what, who cares? Do we have to run the ball at least 30 times?? You want to see our running average go up, then continue passing the ball all game. No one has proved to shut this down yet. Run a few draw plays here and there. With everyone in zone, I can&#8217;t see why you wouldn&#8217;t be getting at least 5 yards per carry&#8230; Oh, and can you PLEASE McCarthy, remove the pass play where you throw to your receiver behind the line of scrimmage. I don&#8217;t really enjoy watching the corner running at full speed and drilling the receiver as soon as he catches the ball..</p>
<p>Sorry, I just had to vent on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have it nailed, Josh.  The skill positions are dependent, to a large degree on the lines.  That is the genisus of all our problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have it nailed, Josh.  The skill positions are dependent, to a large degree on the lines.  That is the genisus of all our problems.</p>
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		<title>By: bucky</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lumpkin had one carry (for 19 yards).  I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;m not about to anoint him as the next great back based on such a small data set.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lumpkin had one carry (for 19 yards).  I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;m not about to anoint him as the next great back based on such a small data set.</p>
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		<title>By: joshywoshybigfatposhy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you know how sometimes, you start writing a comment, get distracted, and by the time you post it, someone else commented before you and basically answered your question, and made you feel at ease about the world.  yeah.  thanks bucky.  the fact that you have stats to back it up makes it even easier to relax.  

we&#039;ve also scored 18 more points through 6 games this season, but allowed 38 more  -  which explains the most relevant stat - 5 and 1 vs. 3 and 3.  

conclusion -- our biggest problem is by far the defensive line.  then offensive line, then the mysterious shoddy play of our great linebacker core.  that&#039;s how i see it anyhow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know how sometimes, you start writing a comment, get distracted, and by the time you post it, someone else commented before you and basically answered your question, and made you feel at ease about the world.  yeah.  thanks bucky.  the fact that you have stats to back it up makes it even easier to relax.  </p>
<p>we&#8217;ve also scored 18 more points through 6 games this season, but allowed 38 more  &#8211;  which explains the most relevant stat &#8211; 5 and 1 vs. 3 and 3.  </p>
<p>conclusion &#8212; our biggest problem is by far the defensive line.  then offensive line, then the mysterious shoddy play of our great linebacker core.  that&#8217;s how i see it anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Rogders</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Grant is so good, how come the few run plays that Jackson and Lumpkin did have made Grant look weak? It appears that he has bulked up a little bit then last year (maybe that is just me), but it also appears that he is much slower too. I am assuming his hamstring injury is still slowing him down some. 

One other thing I thought I would throw out there, he doesn&#039;t have Favre with him. I believe Favre scared defenses with his play action pass ability. I don&#039;t think defenses respect the passing game as much with Rodgers as our QB. When this happens, I believe the running game will hugely benefit. Last year we were dominating teams with the passing game. Later down the season, teams had to focus more on the passing game then anything else. Also, I think Favre was a great motivator too. I haven&#039;t notice Rodgers motivating Grant. 

So ask yourself, what is the difference in the offense between last season and now. A QB does a lot more then just throw the ball...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Grant is so good, how come the few run plays that Jackson and Lumpkin did have made Grant look weak? It appears that he has bulked up a little bit then last year (maybe that is just me), but it also appears that he is much slower too. I am assuming his hamstring injury is still slowing him down some. </p>
<p>One other thing I thought I would throw out there, he doesn&#8217;t have Favre with him. I believe Favre scared defenses with his play action pass ability. I don&#8217;t think defenses respect the passing game as much with Rodgers as our QB. When this happens, I believe the running game will hugely benefit. Last year we were dominating teams with the passing game. Later down the season, teams had to focus more on the passing game then anything else. Also, I think Favre was a great motivator too. I haven&#8217;t notice Rodgers motivating Grant. </p>
<p>So ask yourself, what is the difference in the offense between last season and now. A QB does a lot more then just throw the ball&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joshywoshybigfatposhy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[is anyone quite as baffled as me at the fact that this is the same exact f-ing line that did so well w/grant for the last 10 games last year?  the o-line is bad, i admit, but no one is asking WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? - it wasn&#039;t perfect last year, but it was much better, and looked like it would only get better.  

is it simply the tackles getting 5 knee-years older in 1 real year?  i feel like we&#039;re in 2nd preseason game form, and at this rate, we&#039;ll hit mid-season form (which is apparently the best players get???) sometime in ... December/January?  fantastic.  by then, Grant will have racked up a good 600/700 yards.  

i do think it was heartening to see mccarthy stick with the run sunday.  i know it&#039;s easier when we&#039;re ahead, but even with 2-4 yard gains, it really kept seattle honest, and the game didn&#039;t get away from us in the 2nd half.  one of my fondest memories of the superbowl years was watching levens carry the ball 15-20 times in the last third or so of the game and just wear the opposing defense down.  even if it wasn&#039;t 14 yard gains, it was enough to piss them off.  yes, we had more to work with then, i know.

i&#039;ve been back and forth on the whole &#039;run to set up the pass&#039; or &#039;pass to set up the run&#039; thing.  i think i&#039;ve settled on a simple strategery that shouldn&#039;t be misunderestimated just because i&#039;m a dude in an office -- pass-to-set-up-the-run-to-stick-with-the-run-to-allow-for-the-pass.  if, by midway through the fourth quarter, you aren&#039;t down by 14, the run should be your 1st option.  i think often, (and sometimes i&#039;ve praised his non-traditional stubbornness abou this) mccarthy has played pass-to-set-up-the-run-to-try-the-run-to-give-up-on-the-run-when-it-doesn&#039;t-work-right-away-to-just-keep-passing.  like i said, it&#039;s worked sometimes, but it shouldn&#039;t be a regular strategy... or is it a tactic?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is anyone quite as baffled as me at the fact that this is the same exact f-ing line that did so well w/grant for the last 10 games last year?  the o-line is bad, i admit, but no one is asking WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? &#8211; it wasn&#8217;t perfect last year, but it was much better, and looked like it would only get better.  </p>
<p>is it simply the tackles getting 5 knee-years older in 1 real year?  i feel like we&#8217;re in 2nd preseason game form, and at this rate, we&#8217;ll hit mid-season form (which is apparently the best players get???) sometime in &#8230; December/January?  fantastic.  by then, Grant will have racked up a good 600/700 yards.  </p>
<p>i do think it was heartening to see mccarthy stick with the run sunday.  i know it&#8217;s easier when we&#8217;re ahead, but even with 2-4 yard gains, it really kept seattle honest, and the game didn&#8217;t get away from us in the 2nd half.  one of my fondest memories of the superbowl years was watching levens carry the ball 15-20 times in the last third or so of the game and just wear the opposing defense down.  even if it wasn&#8217;t 14 yard gains, it was enough to piss them off.  yes, we had more to work with then, i know.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve been back and forth on the whole &#8216;run to set up the pass&#8217; or &#8216;pass to set up the run&#8217; thing.  i think i&#8217;ve settled on a simple strategery that shouldn&#8217;t be misunderestimated just because i&#8217;m a dude in an office &#8212; pass-to-set-up-the-run-to-stick-with-the-run-to-allow-for-the-pass.  if, by midway through the fourth quarter, you aren&#8217;t down by 14, the run should be your 1st option.  i think often, (and sometimes i&#8217;ve praised his non-traditional stubbornness abou this) mccarthy has played pass-to-set-up-the-run-to-try-the-run-to-give-up-on-the-run-when-it-doesn&#8217;t-work-right-away-to-just-keep-passing.  like i said, it&#8217;s worked sometimes, but it shouldn&#8217;t be a regular strategy&#8230; or is it a tactic?</p>
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