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		<title>By: Donald's Designated Driver</title>
		<link>http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/culpepper-wants-to-play-for-the-pack-as-back-up/#comment-3424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald's Designated Driver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AWH:  Who cuts a second round pick after one training camp?  Especially a QB?  Seems a little kneejerky.  If you can dig one up, I&#039;d definitely be interested in seeing a list of second round picks that have been cut after one training camp for any reason other than injury or off the field stuff.

It always amazes me that fans has that special expertise that allows them to make snap decisions that coaches and managers need additional time to evaluate.  It&#039;s an amazing gift.

McCarthy has a history of coaching young QBs.  The biggest jump seems to be between the first and second seasons.  That&#039;s when Rodgers seems to improve the most, and that defintely when Hassleback made his huge leap.  Why give up on a prospect after one training camp?  It makes no sense.

And I guarantee that the Packers are not going to cut Brohm.  No NFL team cuts a second round pick after one training camp.  I know this is a tough nugget to swallow, but the reason no team cuts their second round pick is not because every single GM in the NFL is some egoistical, stubborn, meat head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWH:  Who cuts a second round pick after one training camp?  Especially a QB?  Seems a little kneejerky.  If you can dig one up, I&#8217;d definitely be interested in seeing a list of second round picks that have been cut after one training camp for any reason other than injury or off the field stuff.</p>
<p>It always amazes me that fans has that special expertise that allows them to make snap decisions that coaches and managers need additional time to evaluate.  It&#8217;s an amazing gift.</p>
<p>McCarthy has a history of coaching young QBs.  The biggest jump seems to be between the first and second seasons.  That&#8217;s when Rodgers seems to improve the most, and that defintely when Hassleback made his huge leap.  Why give up on a prospect after one training camp?  It makes no sense.</p>
<p>And I guarantee that the Packers are not going to cut Brohm.  No NFL team cuts a second round pick after one training camp.  I know this is a tough nugget to swallow, but the reason no team cuts their second round pick is not because every single GM in the NFL is some egoistical, stubborn, meat head.</p>
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		<title>By: awhayes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[awhayes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll allow that Culpepper may be a riskier option for many of the reasons you all mentioned - and it&#039;s hard to write anything pro-ex-Viking. But my overall position remains that we should strongly consider a veteran. DDD, Bucky and others - I agree with you that Flynn is #2 and has been good in preseason. He shouldn&#039;t be cut. But I don&#039;t think Brohm has been good at all. He hasn&#039;t done anything productive, at all. I know he&#039;s a second round pick and I know he was good in college. I thought he&#039;d translate to a good NFL QB, but some guys just can&#039;t hack it at this level. So cut him and don&#039;t settle for a guy on the scrap heap necessarily, trade for a back-up like Carolina just did. Be creative. Help the team - do whatever we can to minimize the damage to the team if Rodgers goes down. 

Anyway, cuts just came down - time to move on from this post...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll allow that Culpepper may be a riskier option for many of the reasons you all mentioned &#8211; and it&#8217;s hard to write anything pro-ex-Viking. But my overall position remains that we should strongly consider a veteran. DDD, Bucky and others &#8211; I agree with you that Flynn is #2 and has been good in preseason. He shouldn&#8217;t be cut. But I don&#8217;t think Brohm has been good at all. He hasn&#8217;t done anything productive, at all. I know he&#8217;s a second round pick and I know he was good in college. I thought he&#8217;d translate to a good NFL QB, but some guys just can&#8217;t hack it at this level. So cut him and don&#8217;t settle for a guy on the scrap heap necessarily, trade for a back-up like Carolina just did. Be creative. Help the team &#8211; do whatever we can to minimize the damage to the team if Rodgers goes down. </p>
<p>Anyway, cuts just came down &#8211; time to move on from this post&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy V</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy V]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Simms looks to be available and wants to come to Green Bay.  After watching both rookies look pretty raw, I&#039;d like someone with a little more playing time as back-up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Simms looks to be available and wants to come to Green Bay.  After watching both rookies look pretty raw, I&#8217;d like someone with a little more playing time as back-up.</p>
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		<title>By: scott in wisconsin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scott in wisconsin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Culpepper is listening to his agent, who is also himself, who&#039;s just looking out for his own best interest (as any player is) but TT would be stupid to bring him on. His talent was scrambling and his knees won&#039;t let him do that anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Culpepper is listening to his agent, who is also himself, who&#8217;s just looking out for his own best interest (as any player is) but TT would be stupid to bring him on. His talent was scrambling and his knees won&#8217;t let him do that anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron La Canne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bad news via Packers,com

posted 08/30/2008

The Green Bay Packers released 19 players and placed three on injured reserve. Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations, announced the transactions Saturday. 

Released Saturday were wide receiver Jake Allen, cornerback Scorpio Babers, defensive tackle Conrad Bolston, center Brennen Carvalho, safety Tyrone Culver, linebacker Spencer Havner, tight end Joey Haynos, running back Noah Herron, guard Ryan Keenan, linebacker Danny Lansanah, defensive tackle Alfred Malone, running back Vernand Morency, defensive tackle Daniel Muir, cornerback Joe Porter, wide receiver Johnny Quinn, wide receiver Taj Smith, wide receiver Brett Swain, tackle Orrin Thompson and fullback Corey White. 

Defensive tackle Rodney Allen, center Junius Coston and long snapper J.J. Jansen were placed on injured reserve. 

** 

WATCH LIVE: 
GM Ted Thompson press conference 
Sunday, Aug. 31 
2:00 p.m. CDT 
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Both Herron and Norency gone.  That&#039;s a surprise.  That means Lumpkin stays over them.  Also Wells, Pickett, Sitton, and KGB.  They occupy rosster slots and have played very little in the pre-season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad news via Packers,com</p>
<p>posted 08/30/2008</p>
<p>The Green Bay Packers released 19 players and placed three on injured reserve. Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations, announced the transactions Saturday. </p>
<p>Released Saturday were wide receiver Jake Allen, cornerback Scorpio Babers, defensive tackle Conrad Bolston, center Brennen Carvalho, safety Tyrone Culver, linebacker Spencer Havner, tight end Joey Haynos, running back Noah Herron, guard Ryan Keenan, linebacker Danny Lansanah, defensive tackle Alfred Malone, running back Vernand Morency, defensive tackle Daniel Muir, cornerback Joe Porter, wide receiver Johnny Quinn, wide receiver Taj Smith, wide receiver Brett Swain, tackle Orrin Thompson and fullback Corey White. </p>
<p>Defensive tackle Rodney Allen, center Junius Coston and long snapper J.J. Jansen were placed on injured reserve. </p>
<p>** </p>
<p>WATCH LIVE:<br />
GM Ted Thompson press conference<br />
Sunday, Aug. 31<br />
2:00 p.m. CDT<br />
____________________________________________________________</p>
<p>Both Herron and Norency gone.  That&#8217;s a surprise.  That means Lumpkin stays over them.  Also Wells, Pickett, Sitton, and KGB.  They occupy rosster slots and have played very little in the pre-season.</p>
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		<title>By: bucky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bucky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with 3D here.  It&#039;s clear that the first two QB positions are set:  Rodgers is the starter, and Brohm makes the squad if only by virtue of being a #2 pick.  So the only question to be asked is whether the Packers keep Flynn, or give up on him for a more experienced guy.  

Living in New England, I haven&#039;t been able to see a whole lot of the games, but from what I&#039;ve been able to see and other information I&#039;ve been able to gather, Flynn&#039;s been pretty good.  It&#039;s indisputable that he&#039;s been better than Brohm.  He appears to be fairly poised for a rookie.  He may indeed turn out better than Brohm, perhaps turn out even better than Rodgers.  It&#039;s pretty hard to give up on that.  

On the other hand, you have available experienced quarterbacks.  Bear in mind that they are available because no one else wants them.  There&#039;s usually a reason for that.  I don&#039;t even know who is available:  Craig Nall?  Vinnie Testaverde?  John Hadl?  Any QB that is brought in at this point is going to be a) off the NFL scrapheap, and b) unfamiliar with the Green Bay offense.  In short, you&#039;re not going to get a whole lot of production out of any of these guys.  

Let&#039;s face it, if Rodgers goes down, the Packers do not have a great situation at QB.  They&#039;re not going deep into the playoffs without him, regardless of whether its Brian Brohm&#039;s, Matt Flynn&#039;s, or a more  experienced thumb up Scott Well&#039;s ass.  In fact, they&#039;ll be unlikely to even hit .500 in that unfortunate circumstance.  And I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s worth it to give up on Matt Flynn to ensure going 7-9, rather than 5-11.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with 3D here.  It&#8217;s clear that the first two QB positions are set:  Rodgers is the starter, and Brohm makes the squad if only by virtue of being a #2 pick.  So the only question to be asked is whether the Packers keep Flynn, or give up on him for a more experienced guy.  </p>
<p>Living in New England, I haven&#8217;t been able to see a whole lot of the games, but from what I&#8217;ve been able to see and other information I&#8217;ve been able to gather, Flynn&#8217;s been pretty good.  It&#8217;s indisputable that he&#8217;s been better than Brohm.  He appears to be fairly poised for a rookie.  He may indeed turn out better than Brohm, perhaps turn out even better than Rodgers.  It&#8217;s pretty hard to give up on that.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, you have available experienced quarterbacks.  Bear in mind that they are available because no one else wants them.  There&#8217;s usually a reason for that.  I don&#8217;t even know who is available:  Craig Nall?  Vinnie Testaverde?  John Hadl?  Any QB that is brought in at this point is going to be a) off the NFL scrapheap, and b) unfamiliar with the Green Bay offense.  In short, you&#8217;re not going to get a whole lot of production out of any of these guys.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, if Rodgers goes down, the Packers do not have a great situation at QB.  They&#8217;re not going deep into the playoffs without him, regardless of whether its Brian Brohm&#8217;s, Matt Flynn&#8217;s, or a more  experienced thumb up Scott Well&#8217;s ass.  In fact, they&#8217;ll be unlikely to even hit .500 in that unfortunate circumstance.  And I just don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s worth it to give up on Matt Flynn to ensure going 7-9, rather than 5-11.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron La Canne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3D,

So, being a second rounder takes precidence over acutal performance?  That sounds rather stupid to me.  Brohm has not delivered.  I&#039;m sure the team that offers retired QB&#039;s $20 mil to sell T-Shirts can afford to absorb the second round guarentee money.

Let&#039;s say you&#039;re right.  Fine, then try to trade or cut Flynn.  I would disagree with this but it still accomplishes what has to be done.  You can&#039;t have two QB&#039;s coming in together and develop them both.  At best, one is a backup for Rodgers for the foreseeable future and the other becomes trade bait two or three years in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3D,</p>
<p>So, being a second rounder takes precidence over acutal performance?  That sounds rather stupid to me.  Brohm has not delivered.  I&#8217;m sure the team that offers retired QB&#8217;s $20 mil to sell T-Shirts can afford to absorb the second round guarentee money.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re right.  Fine, then try to trade or cut Flynn.  I would disagree with this but it still accomplishes what has to be done.  You can&#8217;t have two QB&#8217;s coming in together and develop them both.  At best, one is a backup for Rodgers for the foreseeable future and the other becomes trade bait two or three years in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald's Designated Driver</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald's Designated Driver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AWH: There is no way the Packers cut Brohm.  Zippy chance that that happens.  Maybe that is where the disconnect is.  You do not give up on second round pick after one tc.  Nor should you, especially given McCarthy experience coaching young QBs.  

I think one the problems here is that everyone is still speaking in the abstract.  We are way beyond the abstract here.  The consequences are crystal clear: (1)  keep Flynn and develop him; (2) bring in a veteran cast off.   (Brohm is not part of the equation.  At all.)

That&#039;s the choice.

If Brohm would have been drafted in the 7th round and Flynn in the second, it would be a really easy decision.  But that&#039;s not how things have shaken out.

And I also think people are also underestimating how well Flynn has played.  (It doesn&#039;t fit nicely into the narrative that McCarthy and Thompson are stubborn).  I&#039;m not exaggerating when I say he has looked as good as any Packer rookie QB that I can remember (at least in the last 25 years).  If anyone disagrees, I&#039;d love to see a list of names.  Why give up on that guy before we know how good he can be?  

And people seem to be overestimating the talent level of scrap heap QBs.  Flynn looked every bit as good as &quot;experienced&quot; dudes like Pederson who have manned the pines in GB.   Experience is  great, but 12 TDs and 17 INTs is just not bowling me over, here.  

I&#039;d like to see someone argue that the Ravens don&#039;t regret cutting Derek Anderson for Anthony Wright.  Anyone want to carry that flag?  Sometimes a known mediocrity really isn&#039;t as good as a intriguing prospect.  

That&#039;s the first step: admitting that in some cases its a bad thing to give up on a talented prospect in the interest of &quot;experience.&quot;  Once you make that leap then we can really get to the critical question: has Flynn shown enough that they should hang on to him.  No question in my mind that he has. 

Then, again, maybe you think that the Raven cutting a future Pro Bowler for Anthony Wright was a stroke of genius.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWH: There is no way the Packers cut Brohm.  Zippy chance that that happens.  Maybe that is where the disconnect is.  You do not give up on second round pick after one tc.  Nor should you, especially given McCarthy experience coaching young QBs.  </p>
<p>I think one the problems here is that everyone is still speaking in the abstract.  We are way beyond the abstract here.  The consequences are crystal clear: (1)  keep Flynn and develop him; (2) bring in a veteran cast off.   (Brohm is not part of the equation.  At all.)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the choice.</p>
<p>If Brohm would have been drafted in the 7th round and Flynn in the second, it would be a really easy decision.  But that&#8217;s not how things have shaken out.</p>
<p>And I also think people are also underestimating how well Flynn has played.  (It doesn&#8217;t fit nicely into the narrative that McCarthy and Thompson are stubborn).  I&#8217;m not exaggerating when I say he has looked as good as any Packer rookie QB that I can remember (at least in the last 25 years).  If anyone disagrees, I&#8217;d love to see a list of names.  Why give up on that guy before we know how good he can be?  </p>
<p>And people seem to be overestimating the talent level of scrap heap QBs.  Flynn looked every bit as good as &#8220;experienced&#8221; dudes like Pederson who have manned the pines in GB.   Experience is  great, but 12 TDs and 17 INTs is just not bowling me over, here.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see someone argue that the Ravens don&#8217;t regret cutting Derek Anderson for Anthony Wright.  Anyone want to carry that flag?  Sometimes a known mediocrity really isn&#8217;t as good as a intriguing prospect.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the first step: admitting that in some cases its a bad thing to give up on a talented prospect in the interest of &#8220;experience.&#8221;  Once you make that leap then we can really get to the critical question: has Flynn shown enough that they should hang on to him.  No question in my mind that he has. </p>
<p>Then, again, maybe you think that the Raven cutting a future Pro Bowler for Anthony Wright was a stroke of genius.</p>
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		<title>By: I believe in Rodgers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I believe in Rodgers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JA - I couldn&#039;t disagree with you more.  I take it you&#039;re a closet Favreaholic secretly hoping Rodgers will fail.  Way to put the team first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JA &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t disagree with you more.  I take it you&#8217;re a closet Favreaholic secretly hoping Rodgers will fail.  Way to put the team first.</p>
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		<title>By: awhayes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[awhayes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still think the main factor here is experience - especially at the QB position. You obviously are less concerned re this. I don&#039;t think by acquiring a veteran QB and getting rid of one of the rookies, we&#039;d be throwing away our future. We&#039;d still have a nice future with Rodgers and probably Flynn. And importantly, I think we&#039;d be protecting the present by, as Ron L says, having a serviceable, less mistake-prone person managing the game for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think the main factor here is experience &#8211; especially at the QB position. You obviously are less concerned re this. I don&#8217;t think by acquiring a veteran QB and getting rid of one of the rookies, we&#8217;d be throwing away our future. We&#8217;d still have a nice future with Rodgers and probably Flynn. And importantly, I think we&#8217;d be protecting the present by, as Ron L says, having a serviceable, less mistake-prone person managing the game for us.</p>
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