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		<title>By: When The Favre Hits The Fan &#187; Brats &#38; Beer</title>
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		<dc:creator>When The Favre Hits The Fan &#187; Brats &#38; Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] noted in a post at packergeeks, the Packers don&#8217;t have Ari Fleischer on retainer to deal with the current mess, he was hired [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] noted in a post at packergeeks, the Packers don&#8217;t have Ari Fleischer on retainer to deal with the current mess, he was hired [...]</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Dave, let the circus close up shop and leave town. I really hope  I&#039;m wrong, but I have zero expectations about this year. Only expectation I have is that it&#039;s gonna be long and painful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Dave, let the circus close up shop and leave town. I really hope  I&#8217;m wrong, but I have zero expectations about this year. Only expectation I have is that it&#8217;s gonna be long and painful</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I just have a lot more faith in the guys we have than you do. That&#039;s not a knock on you, it&#039;s just a difference in opinion. We&#039;ll just have to see what happens. 

I&#039;m ready for all this Favre crap to be over with. Let&#039;s get to the games already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I just have a lot more faith in the guys we have than you do. That&#8217;s not a knock on you, it&#8217;s just a difference in opinion. We&#8217;ll just have to see what happens. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m ready for all this Favre crap to be over with. Let&#8217;s get to the games already!</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, it does take a lot to impress me btw. .500 definately doesn&#039;t cut it. Anything less then winning the division and being in the playoffs is a failure. Being the laughing stock of the sports world is absolutely not acceptable. Going back to the Packers pre-Favre is absolutely not acceptable. Losing to the Bears and the Vikings, is unacceptable, and it wouldn&#039;t be surprising to me if that happened this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, it does take a lot to impress me btw. .500 definately doesn&#8217;t cut it. Anything less then winning the division and being in the playoffs is a failure. Being the laughing stock of the sports world is absolutely not acceptable. Going back to the Packers pre-Favre is absolutely not acceptable. Losing to the Bears and the Vikings, is unacceptable, and it wouldn&#8217;t be surprising to me if that happened this year.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, 

They will be mediocre because of the QB play. It&#039;s not a big knock on Rodgers, it&#039;s just a fact. He is basically a rookie when it comes to playing time, and he is going to make rookie mistakes. He will cost them one or two games this year because of inexperience. He can look great at practice, but like every rookie, when the bullets start flying for real he will make mistakes, and yes even more mistakes than Favre made in an average game. 
The defense is solid, but I have zero faith in Grant being the long term answer at RB. How many times did he have runs of under 3 yards? Sure he may break off a 60 yard run every 2 or 3 games, but he is not a 25 or 30 carry guy. Defenses are gonna stack 8 in the box, dare Rodgers to beat them, and stop Grant every game. Rodgers just isn&#039;t good enough to beat good defenses. 
Bottom line, they aren&#039;t good enough to be a factor this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, </p>
<p>They will be mediocre because of the QB play. It&#8217;s not a big knock on Rodgers, it&#8217;s just a fact. He is basically a rookie when it comes to playing time, and he is going to make rookie mistakes. He will cost them one or two games this year because of inexperience. He can look great at practice, but like every rookie, when the bullets start flying for real he will make mistakes, and yes even more mistakes than Favre made in an average game.<br />
The defense is solid, but I have zero faith in Grant being the long term answer at RB. How many times did he have runs of under 3 yards? Sure he may break off a 60 yard run every 2 or 3 games, but he is not a 25 or 30 carry guy. Defenses are gonna stack 8 in the box, dare Rodgers to beat them, and stop Grant every game. Rodgers just isn&#8217;t good enough to beat good defenses.<br />
Bottom line, they aren&#8217;t good enough to be a factor this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron La Canne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron La Canne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belle are you related to Thompson.  IT IS NOT THE STANCE GB IS TAKING.  IT IS THE WAY IN WHICH IT IS BEING HANDLED.  Plain and simple one more damn time - It is not McCarthys&#039; job to be involved in this.  The Boss is Thompson it is his job.  I don&#039;t give a damn what TT has done.  It is his job to handle it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belle are you related to Thompson.  IT IS NOT THE STANCE GB IS TAKING.  IT IS THE WAY IN WHICH IT IS BEING HANDLED.  Plain and simple one more damn time &#8211; It is not McCarthys&#8217; job to be involved in this.  The Boss is Thompson it is his job.  I don&#8217;t give a damn what TT has done.  It is his job to handle it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think trading someone is as easy as you make it sound Susan, especially if the only teams he wanted to be traded to we ones in the division. It&#039;s easy to throw stones when looking at it in retrospect, but I think Thompson did the best that could be expected with what he was given to work with.

As for the whole mediocre team thing patrick, how is a team that was an overtime away from going to the Super Bowl a mediocre or average team? What exactly does it take to impress you? I don&#039;t think that Thompson is the one covering his ears and stomping his feet here.

Oh, and Favre isn&#039;t the GM. He shouldn&#039;t be making roster suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think trading someone is as easy as you make it sound Susan, especially if the only teams he wanted to be traded to we ones in the division. It&#8217;s easy to throw stones when looking at it in retrospect, but I think Thompson did the best that could be expected with what he was given to work with.</p>
<p>As for the whole mediocre team thing patrick, how is a team that was an overtime away from going to the Super Bowl a mediocre or average team? What exactly does it take to impress you? I don&#8217;t think that Thompson is the one covering his ears and stomping his feet here.</p>
<p>Oh, and Favre isn&#8217;t the GM. He shouldn&#8217;t be making roster suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Schister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Schister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett Favre is no Kurt Warner - Cardinals are in a similar situation, but with a few major differences.  They stated Leinert would be the starte, but that he&#039;d had to work to keep that job and Warner is a class guy all around.  Green Bay should have stuck to their decision to move on and then if Brett said he wanted back out of retirement, then fine, activate him and trade him - same day.  Instead, lack of leadership and decision making by Thompson has dragged this whole episode out.  Favre has overstepped his limits,     but the guy has a right to change his mind and still play the game.  Trade him, get it done, stop the circus already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett Favre is no Kurt Warner &#8211; Cardinals are in a similar situation, but with a few major differences.  They stated Leinert would be the starte, but that he&#8217;d had to work to keep that job and Warner is a class guy all around.  Green Bay should have stuck to their decision to move on and then if Brett said he wanted back out of retirement, then fine, activate him and trade him &#8211; same day.  Instead, lack of leadership and decision making by Thompson has dragged this whole episode out.  Favre has overstepped his limits,     but the guy has a right to change his mind and still play the game.  Trade him, get it done, stop the circus already!</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>PackerBelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RLC, I&#039;m still not seeing your actual criticisms of Thompson in regards to what he has actually done in the situation.  Mike McCarthy wasn&#039;t negotiating player contracts and disputes.   His role in the situation was to talk to a player about his mindset in playing with the team.   That is part of McCarthy&#039;s job - to make sure that there isn&#039;t a cancer in the locker room.  There has been no suggestion that McCarthy has been involved with negotiations for a trade or his remaining retired.   His involvement has been regarding Favre as a Packers&#039; player.

And the Packers could not have &#039;let him in&#039; a week or two ago given that he wasn&#039;t officially reinstated until August 3rd and he was placed on the active roster on the 4th.   The Packers never said he couldn&#039;t come back, just that he wouldn&#039;t come back as the starter.   And that would have been as much McCarthy as Thompson as McCarthy is the one who has been telling the team they&#039;ve turned the page.

As for TT not dealing with this in the press, given what we&#039;ve seen of Favre doing that exact same thing I&#039;d rather he try to keep things private.   Ted Thompson didn&#039;t start this - Favre did.  But rather than trying to work this out in the press he&#039;s been quiet.  He gave his version of events in the timeline provided by the JS and he&#039;s issued statements when necessary.  But rather than waste his time responding to every single allegation made by fans or Favre he&#039;s spending his time trying to run a football team - which is his job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RLC, I&#8217;m still not seeing your actual criticisms of Thompson in regards to what he has actually done in the situation.  Mike McCarthy wasn&#8217;t negotiating player contracts and disputes.   His role in the situation was to talk to a player about his mindset in playing with the team.   That is part of McCarthy&#8217;s job &#8211; to make sure that there isn&#8217;t a cancer in the locker room.  There has been no suggestion that McCarthy has been involved with negotiations for a trade or his remaining retired.   His involvement has been regarding Favre as a Packers&#8217; player.</p>
<p>And the Packers could not have &#8216;let him in&#8217; a week or two ago given that he wasn&#8217;t officially reinstated until August 3rd and he was placed on the active roster on the 4th.   The Packers never said he couldn&#8217;t come back, just that he wouldn&#8217;t come back as the starter.   And that would have been as much McCarthy as Thompson as McCarthy is the one who has been telling the team they&#8217;ve turned the page.</p>
<p>As for TT not dealing with this in the press, given what we&#8217;ve seen of Favre doing that exact same thing I&#8217;d rather he try to keep things private.   Ted Thompson didn&#8217;t start this &#8211; Favre did.  But rather than trying to work this out in the press he&#8217;s been quiet.  He gave his version of events in the timeline provided by the JS and he&#8217;s issued statements when necessary.  But rather than waste his time responding to every single allegation made by fans or Favre he&#8217;s spending his time trying to run a football team &#8211; which is his job.</p>
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		<title>By: PackerBelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>PackerBelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no guarantee that we&#039;d have a good season with Favre.   Especially not after all of this.  How effective a coach can McCarthy be when Favre has publicly thrown him under a bus?  Or James Campen? And do we get the potential for a good season and the expense of having Brian Brohm as our starting QB in a year?  

It isn&#039;t Favre&#039;s place to be making roster suggestions.   Ted Thompson gave Favre a heck of a O-line and some of the best receivers in the league last year.   Along with Ryan Grant in the backfield.   And that isn&#039;t mentioning the defense or dramatically improved special teams. 

I don&#039;t think Thompson is content to have a mediocre roster or team.  But he&#039;s looking at the future and at the TEAM itself.   According to McCarthy and Thompson when Favre wanted to unretire at the end of March both of them were all for it.  They wanted him back and it was Favre&#039;s decisions that led to this mess.   And now they either have to ignore months of work for a guy who clearly isn&#039;t committed to the team and potentially ruin the team in the future by losing Rodgers.   

And if you really want to tell me that a team with Aaron Kampman, Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Donald Drive, Greg Jennings and Ryan Grant is mediocre then I think we have different definitions of the word mediocre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no guarantee that we&#8217;d have a good season with Favre.   Especially not after all of this.  How effective a coach can McCarthy be when Favre has publicly thrown him under a bus?  Or James Campen? And do we get the potential for a good season and the expense of having Brian Brohm as our starting QB in a year?  </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t Favre&#8217;s place to be making roster suggestions.   Ted Thompson gave Favre a heck of a O-line and some of the best receivers in the league last year.   Along with Ryan Grant in the backfield.   And that isn&#8217;t mentioning the defense or dramatically improved special teams. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Thompson is content to have a mediocre roster or team.  But he&#8217;s looking at the future and at the TEAM itself.   According to McCarthy and Thompson when Favre wanted to unretire at the end of March both of them were all for it.  They wanted him back and it was Favre&#8217;s decisions that led to this mess.   And now they either have to ignore months of work for a guy who clearly isn&#8217;t committed to the team and potentially ruin the team in the future by losing Rodgers.   </p>
<p>And if you really want to tell me that a team with Aaron Kampman, Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Donald Drive, Greg Jennings and Ryan Grant is mediocre then I think we have different definitions of the word mediocre.</p>
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