What’s going on with Brett Favre?

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On my way to work this morning after listening to some of the “highlights” from Favre’s interview last night, I asked myself, “self, what is going on with Brett Favre?”

Why has Favre suddenly become contentious and openly confrontational. Sure there were some conflict-laden incidents with Walker, McKenzie, Holmgren, and a few others over the years. But over 17 years, a smattering of conflict here and there can be expected – in fact, I’d go so far as to argue that Favre has almost been suspiciously non-confrontational over his time in Green Bay. I’ll allow that it’s possible that perhaps Favre is very different behind closed doors, but I very much doubt this as there isn’t much evidence to suggest this is the case. When I consider this seemingly harmonious quality of Favre’s and mix in there the fact that he is a bright guy (a lot brighter than he sounds sometimes), it makes his present behavior ever more mysterious.

One of the things counselors are trained to investigate is whether or not a concerning behavior appears to be an isolated new behavior or an ongoing pattern of behavior. What I’m struggling with here is that the pattern of behavior I’ve observed from Favre over the years has been largely positive and one very much in-line with his team. But lately, he has not only been seemingly unconcerned about the effect of his behavior on his team, but he is targeting Ted Thompson in particular and doing it in a rather confrontational, vitriolic manner (saying TT is a liar, saying he’s coming to camp to call the team’s “bluff”). This is unlike the Favre we’ve come to know. I know reader Triple D believes all we really “know” is the PR spun Favre and that he may in fact be more of a problem in real life. Possible, but I would say not likely mostly because there are things we do know about Favre. We’ve all watched him perform, watched him be gracious in victory and  defeat. We’ve watched him play through pain, emotional and physical. We’ve watched him interact with kids who are stricken with incurable diseases – and watched him cry at a press conference because he cared so much re one little girl. We’ve watched him handle himself well in many many situations, until recently. I think we do have some idea of what he’s like. I think most would agree, he’s proven himself to be a high quality guy over the years, which explains in part his massive nationwide popularity. So I do see this most recent behavior as more isolated and not really a pattern.

Fans have known Brett Favre for 17 years and TT for 3 years. This is significant and one reason I think many Packer fans are not letting go of Favre here and that polls continue to show fans still want him to be the starting QB. And, throw in there what we do know re TT: that he’s a very tight-lipped, serious guy who comes across to many as cold – but at the same time he’s also professional, obviously cares about his job and he’s done a heck of a job thus far as GM). Favre should win in this popularity contest, it makes sense that he would win. But that doesn’t answer questions re why he is so angry right now and why he is seemingly not acting like himself.

While it’s difficult to conclude anything about all of this without more info, I’ll offer an early thought on this. As I mentioned above, judging by my belief that Favre’s behavior is a more recent behavior and not really an established pattern of behavior, my guess is that something fairly significant happened in the last year or two between Favre and Thompson that led one of them to conclude the harm was irreparable. McCarthy, Murphy, Campen and others have been stuck in the middle. Something perhaps like Favre getting wind of a conversation where TT ripped Favre or said something like he just didn’t want Favre around anymore. Or, perhaps something where Favre ripped TT for not listening to him and word got back to TT that there was backstabbing going on. Or perhaps one or both feeling like the ego of the other was not helpful to the team in some way.

Can’t be sure – but stay tuned as the drama unfolds…

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7 Responses to “What’s going on with Brett Favre?”

  1. Ron La Canne Says:

    The “Greta” interview with Favre has shown me something about his behavior I never knew before. The guy is totally undisiplined. It has become obvious why no coach, including Holmgren, was able to instill a disipline into his on-field behavior. Only Mc Carthy has a modicum of success and that was temporaary. As a young player he could overcome bad decisions with superior physical attributes. Now, it is becoming harder and harder for him to do that.

    I’m no Thompson fan, but I am beginning to understand why he is doing what he is. A quarterback cannot dictate administrative and organizational policy. The interview showed me just how much influence in Tean decisons he wants.

    I hope Bret has a good business agent making long-term financial decisons for him. I don’t think he is capable of having a plan and sticking to it. He was a great QB for the Packers and will always be remembered as such. This “Soap Opera” has to stop now. The only way is a trade. Thompson’s butt will be on the line, but he is the mover behind the change the Packers are making and that’s is where the blame/credit will belong. Bret will need to show he is better than Thompson believes. And Arron Rogers, the poor guy is in the worst position an NFL QB has ever been in thanks to Bret and Ted.

  2. Donald's Designated Driver Says:

    Who knows. Anything we can come up with is speculation. But here is my theory. Early in Favre career, he knew his place. He was not about to try to show up Holmgren or Wolf. And don’t forget he was the second most beloved Packer on the roster at that time (and maybe a distance second at that). I

    Then there was a change of the guards. Reggie and Wolf retired. Holmgren left town. Favre became the BMOC. He didn’t ever need to pitch a fit about anything because he always got what he wanted. And now that the GM was also the coach, Favre was accustomed to daily access to the GM. Again, this is all my speculation.

    Finally, Thompson came to town. Thompson immediately asserted his authority. Thompson did pander to Favre but treated Favre like he is a player. Almost immediately, the petty selfish Favre comes out. Who wasn’t blindsided by the “it’s not in my contract to be a mentor” comment?

    Then the next offseason he adopted the passive agressive approach with “the Packers need to make a ‘Reggie White’ style splash in free agency to demonstrate that they are serious about winning.” Then “what are they gonna do? cut me?” Demanding to be traded when the Packers didn’t get Moss. And so on and so on.

    That’s my best guess.

  3. awhayes Says:

    Interesting points. Lack of discipline could be at play here.

    Triple D- I like your chronology, logical. I especially like the thought that perhaps when TT arrived and asserted himself as I’m pretty sure he did in several ways, it rubbed Favre the wrong way mostly because Favre and Sherman were so close. Then Favre became the difficult child for the new step-father. Very possible. And you’re right about those 2 comments – both of which didn’t seem to be very Favre-like.

  4. Andrew Says:

    I’m not sure what he is doing but thus far he has managed to tarnish an amazing legacy and he is hurting the Packers dearly in the process. I am part of campaign to try and keep him retired (the only outcome that doesn’t hurt both parties involved). We are trying to get 5,000 people to send 2 golf balls each to Favre giving him enough balls to last him the rest of his life. Check it out here if you want to do something and let Brett know how we feel: https://www.thepoint.com/campaigns/stay-retired-brett-favre

    However, I know there are many out there who feel the other way on the issue. I made my campaign in response to another one on the site that will send 10,000 pices of Craft Singles to Ted Thompson if he doesn’t bring Favre back. If you’d rather look at that one check it out here: https://www.thepoint.com/campaigns/bring-back-brett-favre

  5. PackerBelle Says:

    I do think the Mike Sherman era started many of the issues. That was when he got his private dressing room and basically was elevated above everyone else on the team. Mike Sherman knew Favre was his ticket to keeping his job so his goal was to make Favre happy. And TT wouldn’t take it. So then when Favre started regretting his decision and wanted to justify his decision to throw the whole team into a bad situation he started adding up little things that bothered him. I also think some people *cought*BusCookandScottFavre*cough* probably were encouraging him in this and feeding the fire and making it worse.

  6. Teri B. Says:

    [b]Favre Part II – The Media Created Epic
    Get Your Popcorn and Check Your Brain at the Door[/b]

    I rewound and watched Brett’s interview last night TWICE, because I had seen an early release of some of the comments from it that didn’t jive with what Brett said.

    Then, later in the evening, I heard ESPN reporting that Brett might “show up at training camp and cause a circus.” HE NEVER SAID THAT. In fact, he never even mentioned training camp. That was the media filling blanks they created.

    “It’s tempting just to, as everyone said, you know, call their bluff or whatever,” Favre said. “I think it’s going to be a circus in itself already, whether I go there, whatever.” Favre’s tone of voice while making that comment clearly indicated he thought doing that was absurd. “I don’t want to go back there just to stick it to them, ” Favre added.

    Perhaps he was referring to training camp – perhaps he was talking about playing at Green Bay in general, but ESPN’s reporting spun it as if he were vindictively wanting to get back at the Packers by disrupting training camp. Quite the contrary, he was just saying that others were suggesting he could call the Packers’ bluff, and that while it was tempting, he had no desire to “stick it to them.”

    Further, ESPN was reporting that Brett was even now waffling on whether he wants to come back and play. That’s not true! He was stating that he was ready and able, but that “where is a different story.”

    This entire thing makes me ashamed of the sports world in total. To treat a guy who played with so much heart, honestly, and dignity like this really disgusts me. It was the media who ginned up this retirement story every year, NOT Favre. Yet I heard it characterized on ESPN last night as Favre’s “never-ending reversals.” He reversed himself ONCE. Other than that, HE’S BEEN HOUNDED ABOUT IT and merely responded that he hadn’t made any decisions. Good grief, during those years, as if his age and the team’s success weren’t weighing heavily enough on his mind, his wife was battling cancer and his father died. He would be irrational not to carefully consider putting the kind of total, grueling physical and emotional effort into another year that such a decision warranted.

    The media loves salacious BS, and if it doesn’t exist, they certainly know how to create it, but sports is generally pretty straight forward. Next, they’ll be changing the scores of sporting contests just to fit into the story lines they create.

    Watch it for yourself, then compare it what the idiot talking heads are saying and reporting:

    The media did the same thing in the Democratic primary. They rammed as much drama and controversy as they could into it for the sake of greed, money, and ratings, and at the expense of democracy. You should see the ratings CNN and MSNBC got during the primary. It was a freakin’ bonanza.

    Further, Fox News edited the Favre interview: 1) so they could split it up into 2 nights and up their ratings, and so they could play up anything that was even remotely controversial. According to http://gretawire.foxnews.com/, earlier in the morning, the entire 40 min. interview with Favre would be available on that website shortly, now they’re saying it won’t be posted there, but more excerpts will be aired on Fox Tonight:

    [quote]We have showed you two parts of our interview with Green Bay Packer Brett Favre…but we spent much more time with him. (We taped about 40 minutes.) We will post here – on GretaWire – the rest of the interview that you have not seen ON THE RECORD. I expect we will post the rest tomorrow…

    UPDATE – (Wed)…the entire interview won’t get posted here until tomorrow…but we are looking at airing more of this interview tonight that you have not seen …[/quote]

    http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/07/15/gretawire-note-bret-favre/

    Like Fox News can’t spare a few moments from exploiting that poor woman’s death whose body was just found, [i]ad nauseum [/i]to show the entire interview unedited.

    Now people are tuning in and clicking away on Fox News, sports networks, and other websites to find out what’s going on with Favre and the Packers, so they’re milking it for all it’s worth and outright LYING in order to make it sound as dramatic and contentious as possible. Too bad if they’ve got to turn Favre into a villian in the process. For a lot of jealous, loser can’t do “commentators” and writers that’s just an added bonus. If they want to create news, they should get off their flabby asses and play a sport, not throw feces at the ones who do.

    I swear, this is really sickening. I’ve already gotten to where I get my news mostly from NPR, PBS, and digging on the web on my own, so only watching the actual sporting events and shunning ESPN and the others won’t even be noticeable in my world.

    If we keep tuning in to this tabloid crap, and the media keeps profiting from this behavior, we can kiss real objective “reporting” good bye. I for one, will not.

    http://teristyrades.blogspot.com/2008/07/favre-part-ii-media-created-epic-get.html

  7. Donald's Designated Driver Says:

    The plot thickens. Favre is a very bad liar. In part three of the interview Favre essentially accuses Thompson of “tricking” him into coming back in 2005 by falsely promising to resign Rivera and/or Wahle.

    As Favre tells it, Thompson agreed to resign at least one of those guys and in reliance, Favre announced that he was returning for the 2005 season. Then, according to Favre, “the next day” Wahle and Rivera signed with other teams.

    The problem with Favre’s tale is that it is easily fact checked. Rivera and Wahle signed with other teams on March 3, 2005.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2004296&type=story

    Favre announced that he was coming back a week later.
    http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2005/03/10/1/

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